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From: "Limonciello, Mario" <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com>
To: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Mario Limonciello <superm1@kernel.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hansg@kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <westeri@kernel.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	"open list:GPIO ACPI SUPPORT" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:GPIO ACPI SUPPORT" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:INPUT (KEYBOARD, MOUSE, JOYSTICK,
	TOUCHSCREEN)..." <linux-input@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Revert "Input: soc_button_array - debounce the buttons"
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 17:59:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb0a872e-0c96-43be-a583-49d221db661d@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFw3yhVUkdtNnWXT@smile.fi.intel.com>

On 6/25/25 12:54 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:34:55PM +0000, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
>> On 6/25/25 10:17 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:14:40PM +0000, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
>>>> On 6/25/25 10:10 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 03:02:18PM +0000, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/25/25 9:41 AM, Mario Limonciello wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/25/25 9:31 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25-Jun-25 4:09 PM, Mario Limonciello wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/25 4:09 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24-Jun-25 10:22 PM, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>>>>>>>> Ok, so specifically the gpiod_set_debounce() call with 50 ms
>>>>>>>> done by gpio_keys.c is the problem I guess?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So amd_gpio_set_debounce() does accept the 50 ms debounce
>>>>>>>> passed to it by gpio_keys.c as a valid value and then setting
>>>>>>>> that breaks the wake from suspend?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also comparing the GPIO register in Windows (where things work)
>>>>>>>>> Windows never programs a debounce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So maybe the windows ACPI0011 driver always uses a software-
>>>>>>>> debounce for the buttons? Windows not debouncing the mechanical
>>>>>>>> switches at all seems unlikely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the best way to fix this might be to add a no-hw-debounce
>>>>>>>> flag to the data passed from soc_button_array.c to gpio_keys.c
>>>>>>>> and have gpio_keys.c not call gpiod_set_debounce()  when the
>>>>>>>> no-hw-debounce flag is set.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've checked and both on Bay Trail and Cherry Trail devices
>>>>>>>> where soc_button_array is used a lot hw-debouncing is already
>>>>>>>> unused. pinctrl-baytrail.c does not accept 50 ms as a valid
>>>>>>>> value and pinctrl-cherryview.c does not support hw debounce
>>>>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds a like a generally good direction to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking a bit more of this, perhaps the HW debounce support flag should be
>>>>> per-GPIO-descriptor thingy. In such cases we don't need to distinguish the
>>>>> platforms, the GPIO ACPI lib may simply set that flag based on 0 read from
>>>>> the ACPI tables. It will also give a clue to any driver that uses GPIOs
>>>>> (not only gpio-keys).
>>>>
>>>> But 0 doesn't mean hardware debounce support is there, 0 means that
>>>> hardware debounce is not required to be programmed for this GPIO.
>>>>
>>>> That is - if another system had a non-zero value in the GpioInt entry I
>>>> would expect this to be translated into the GPIO register.
>>>
>>> Correct. The question is only about 0. So the flow will look like
>>>
>>> 1) if the GPIO is defined with 0 debounce, set the flag;
>>> 2) if the GPIO is defined with non-zero value, try to apply it;
>>> 3) if the step 2) fails, warn and set the flag.
>>>
>>> Would it make sense?
>>> Hans?
>>
>> But so on these problematic BYT/CYT tablets which "layer" should be
>> setting the 50ms debounce?
>> That should still be a quirk at the soc_button_array layer, right?
>>
>> Because gpio_keys_setup_key() will already fallback to software
>> debounce, and the goal here is that both of those only use the 50ms
>> specifically with software debouncing.
> 
> Probably gpiod_set_debounce() should become a no-op in this case?
> 

But my point is this 50 needs to be a quirk /somewhere/.  It shouldn't 
be a default behavior.

It can be in the GPIO driver(s), it can be in soc-button-array, or it 
can be in gpio_keys.

I've got an idea mocked up for a v2, I'll send that out and I think we 
can discuss the merits of it on that series.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-25 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-24 20:22 [PATCH 0/2] Fix soc-button-array debounce Mario Limonciello
2025-06-24 20:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] gpiolib: acpi: Program debounce when finding GPIO Mario Limonciello
2025-06-25  9:02   ` Hans de Goede
2025-06-25 12:19   ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-06-24 20:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] Revert "Input: soc_button_array - debounce the buttons" Mario Limonciello
2025-06-25  9:09   ` Hans de Goede
2025-06-25 14:09     ` Mario Limonciello
2025-06-25 14:31       ` Hans de Goede
2025-06-25 14:41         ` Mario Limonciello
2025-06-25 15:02           ` Limonciello, Mario
2025-06-25 15:10             ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-06-25 15:14               ` Limonciello, Mario
2025-06-25 15:17                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-06-25 15:34                   ` Limonciello, Mario
2025-06-25 17:54                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-06-25 17:59                       ` Limonciello, Mario [this message]
2025-06-25 18:03                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-06-25 18:57           ` Hans de Goede
2025-06-25 19:10             ` Mario Limonciello
2025-06-25 19:32               ` Hans de Goede

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