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From: Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com>,
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	acpica-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	Ashok Raj <ashoraj@qti.qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] CPER: Add Memory Error Section 2 support
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2026 18:16:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdbce441-921f-4ef9-9c57-0685706cdf89@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261030081941.000040e7@oss.qualcomm.com>


On 10/30/26 16:19, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 12:51:47 +0100
> Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/26 00:05, Ashok Raj wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2026 at 05:04:05PM -0700, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 00:40:33 +0200
>>>> Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:26:21 -0700
>>>>> Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@oss.qualcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 09:07:25 +0200
>>>>>> Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>> On 10/20/26 19:10, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 22:38:39 +0200
>>>>>>>> Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>> The support is mostly duplicated from Memory Error Section handling.
>>>>>>>>> Other than differences coming from the content of  Memory Error
>>>>>>>>> Section 1 and 2, differences in the support are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - v2 do not rely on a compact "struct cper_mem_err_compact" struct.
>>>>>>>>> This structure was used to support older versions of the Memory
>>>>>>>>> Error Section (1). This is not needed for the new structure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - The compact version is also used by the tracing framework.
>>>>>>>>> To avoid relying and propagating a non-standard record format,
>>>>>>>>> through trace event (cf. extlog_mem event) the new trace event
>>>>>>>>> prints each field individually.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The last patch of the serie was only build-tested due to the
>>>>>>>>> absence of relevant hardware. apei_mce_report_mem_error() and
>>>>>>>>> arch_apei_report_mem_error() implementations were also removed since
>>>>>>>>> last version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It will also require a proper handling from the rasdaemon. Applying
>>>>>>>>> this last patch without rasdaemon support will silent the reports of
>>>>>>>>> Memory Error Section 2 error, cf. ras_userspace_consumers() check.
>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd slow down a bit.  We are mid merge window and convention is normally
>>>>>>>> one version a week or so anyway.  Better to gather up feedback from
>>>>>>>> a number of folk and spin only one revision to cover it all.
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok sure, as the v1 was reviewed quickly I thought there was a chance
>>>>>>> of having the serie accepted quickly aswell. I ll wait a bit more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the review,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>> A general question that came up in a related thread with one of
>>>>>> our RAS architects. How does firmware decide what to send?  As far as
>>>>>> I can tell firwmare has no way to know whether the OS understands the CPER
>>>>>> Memory Section 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So options that come to mind.
>>>>>> 1. Firmware must send a CPER with both Memory Section and Memory Section 2.
>>>>> Please don't do this: this would require either Kernespace or userspace to
>>>>> discard one of the reports, only if the other one is there, which can be
>>>>> tricky. Could be done more easily at userspace, but only if some database
>>>>> support is enabled, but, at least on rasdaemon, this is an optional module.
>>>> Good. That confirms my view that is horrible.
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>> I agree that an _OSC capability is the right long-term solution.
>>>
>>> Firmware should select one native CPER format based on OS support, rather
>>> than emit both Section 1 and Section 2 and leave deduplication to the OS
>>> or userspace.
>>>
>>> For a Section 2-capable kernel, we may still avoid a second GHES notifier
>>> chain: preserve the existing struct cper_sec_mem_err * contract and give
>>> it a lossy Section 1 projection of a Section 2 record. The conversion must
>>> translate validation bits and clear validity for values that cannot be
>>> represented, rather than truncate them.
>> I understand we might want to emit a new extlog_mem2_event and a lossy
>> extlog_mem_event for legacy userspace, but I'm not sure to follow how
>> you want to do it.
>>
>> Do you suggest that we only need one notifier (ghes_report_mem_chain)
>> and that we should not add ghes_report_mem2_chain ? This would mean
>> that the .notifier_call (= ghes_edac_report_mem_error) should handle
>> both cper_sec_mem_err/cper_sec_mem_err2 struct.
>>
>> Another solution would be to keep the ghes_report_mem2_chain,
>> which would be responsible of creating the lossy v1 struct and
>> triggering the original ghes_report_mem_chain.
>>
>>> That preserves legacy EDAC consumers, but cannot carry all Section 2 data.
>>> Updated userspace needs the native Section 2 payload through a
>>> full-fidelity path, such as the existing GUID-tagged raw CPER event.
>>>
>>> This does mean an updated userspace listener may receive both the legacy
>>> EDAC summary and the raw Section 2 record for the same firmware error.
>>> They are two kernel views, not two firmware reports. We should therefore
>>> add a shared GHES record/section ID to both events, so userspace can
>>> correlate them reliably; address and timestamp are not sufficient.
>>>
>>> So _OSC solves firmware selection for old versus new kernels, while a
>>> Section 1 projection plus the raw payload handles legacy versus updated
>>> consumers on a new kernel.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>> This will put more burden on the firmware, but this seems the right
>> thing to do. I ll share the thread with the group working more closely
>> on the architecture aswell,
> We have will have a code first proposal for the _OSC part shortly. Just going
> through internal review.  I'll make sure you + others here are on the +CC.

Ok thanks,
If you can also also add Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>



  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-30 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-19 20:38 [PATCH v2 0/6] CPER: Add Memory Error Section 2 support Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] cper: use BIT_ULL() for processor and memory validation bits Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] cper: add Memory Error Section 2 structures Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] cper: add helpers to handle Memory Error Section 2 Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] EDAC/ghes: Extract error report initialization Pierre Gondois
2026-10-20 17:09   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-30 11:37     ` Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] ACPI: APEI: add separate Memory Error Section 2 handlers Pierre Gondois
2026-10-20 17:17   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-24 21:50   ` Ashok Raj
2026-10-30 10:55     ` Pierre Gondois
2026-10-19 20:38 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] ACPI: extlog: add Memory Error Section 2 trace event Pierre Gondois
2026-10-24  0:09   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 17:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] CPER: Add Memory Error Section 2 support Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  7:07   ` Pierre Gondois
2026-10-23 21:26     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-23 22:40       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-10-24  0:04         ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-24 22:05           ` Ashok Raj
2026-10-30 11:51             ` Pierre Gondois
2026-10-30 15:19               ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-30 17:16                 ` Pierre Gondois [this message]
2026-10-30 21:40                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-30 11:38           ` Pierre Gondois

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