From: ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo@public.gmane.org
To: Andi Kleen <ak-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>,
Emmanuel Thom?? <Emmanuel.Thome-MZpvjPyXg2s@public.gmane.org>,
Jon Valvatne <jon-hc6/xhmWZxdWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Suspend-to-RAM on Sony Vaios
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:49:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yzozn1z7zt3.fsf@cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041103141134.GA24195-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org> (Andi Kleen's message of "Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:11:34 +0100")
Andi> The big difference is that the kernel does all kind of complicated
Andi> things to shut itself up first. What you're trying is to do the
Andi> same thing halfway through the initialization sequence when
Andi> a lot of hardware is already running again. Especially on x86-64
Andi> going back out of long mode is a really intrusive operation,
Andi> killing all interrupt state etc.
There shouldn't be any state to kill at this point. IMO, hardware
resume should happen *before* interrupts, bus mastering and SMP, and I
think the ACPI spec support that view. The "lot of hardware is already
running again" should only include stuff that appears before the
graphics in bus-enumeration order. It's a pity though the two-phase
resume model was abandoned.
>> I'm sure that could be tried... I'd guess this is the way Windows does
>> it, initializing everything and the kitchen sink before even returning
>> to PM.
Andi> You just need to initialize the same things the boot BIOS does
Andi> before calling the video POST after power up. That would be
Andi> probably AGP and PCI.
Sorry, my reference to Windows wasn't meant to imply this way is
difficult or wrong. Rather, I'm just frustrated by the lack of spec
and we don't plainly *know* what the "reference" implementation does.
Andi> I hope the PCI BIOS has a function for this though. I don't have
Andi> a spec for it unfortunately.
You might be lucky here, I think PCI BIOS is documented.
>> There is just too much stuff even in kernel space that depends on the
Andi> The only code in the kernel that should care about video mode
Andi> state is the fbcon console driver. Possibly DRI too, but those
Andi> are firmly under user control and can be handled by the X server.
What about the random console printing that goes on during suspend/resume?
Ole
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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-18 0:08 Suspend-to-RAM on Sony Vaios Jon Valvatne
[not found] ` <20041018020816.48673359-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-18 4:15 ` Ivor Hewitt
[not found] ` <200410180415.59801.ivor-rtBon1mkn18@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-18 13:15 ` Jon Valvatne
2004-10-18 11:26 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041018112632.GB4400-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-20 22:13 ` Jon Valvatne
[not found] ` <20041021001331.69c6c965-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-20 22:53 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041020225334.GC29863-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-01 14:54 ` Emmanuel Thomé
[not found] ` <20041101145410.GB12006-xkTd+U360DcAs8EywTwl9A@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-01 15:17 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
2004-11-01 15:41 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041101154127.GB1056-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-02 22:00 ` Emmanuel Thomé
[not found] ` <20041102220034.GA31435-xkTd+U360DcAs8EywTwl9A@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-02 22:09 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041102220958.GF1407-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 10:51 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103105106.GA4174-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 11:13 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041103111306.GA1002-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 12:36 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103123625.GA18867-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 12:38 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041103123830.GB1002-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 12:47 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103124757.GE18867-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 12:50 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20041103125047.GD1002-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 13:08 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-03 11:31 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
[not found] ` <yzoekjbgod9.fsf-vJEk5272eHo@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 12:41 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103124138.GC18867-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 13:52 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
[not found] ` <yzois8n9h17.fsf-vJEk5272eHo@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 14:11 ` Andi Kleen
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2004-11-03 14:49 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo [this message]
2004-11-03 9:46 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Florian Hühn
2004-10-19 8:11 ` Luc Saillard
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2004-10-19 9:25 Li, Shaohua
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2004-10-19 10:11 ` Luc Saillard
2004-10-19 11:45 Li, Shaohua
[not found] ` <16A54BF5D6E14E4D916CE26C9AD3057559A0A4-4yWAQGcml66iAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-19 12:39 ` Luc Saillard
[not found] ` <20041019123930.GA25753-Snhs3Gxj9njPHUqn3ntIkQ@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-19 13:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-10-19 16:32 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
[not found] ` <88056F38E9E48644A0F562A38C64FB600323619D-exJ48ZlmiLpQxe9IK+vIArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-19 16:47 ` Luc Saillard
[not found] ` <20041019164702.GB25753-Snhs3Gxj9njPHUqn3ntIkQ@public.gmane.org>
2004-10-20 9:45 ` Proinnsias Breathnach
2004-10-20 3:30 Li, Shaohua
2004-11-03 14:45 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
[not found] ` <88056F38E9E48644A0F562A38C64FB60033E4DDC-exJ48ZlmiLpQxe9IK+vIArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 15:52 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103155217.GH24195-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 17:13 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
[not found] ` <yzosm7q97q2.fsf-vJEk5272eHo@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 17:21 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041103172120.GB18092-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-03 18:01 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <1099504898.31687.31.camel-Xmbc1Sz64/5pghhO6/9/sx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-04 4:15 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041104041525.GE21211-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-04 10:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-04 10:58 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 13:49 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
2004-11-04 8:29 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
2004-11-04 8:24 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
[not found] ` <yzo654mowci.fsf-vJEk5272eHo@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-04 9:02 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20041104090233.GD28895-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2004-11-04 11:40 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-04 12:14 ` ole.rohne-vJEk5272eHo
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