Recomended IDE-RAID MB

Recomended IDE-RAID MB

[Andrew B. Cramer]

Hi All,
	What brand of motherboard would you use for just mirroring two huge 
IDE drives?

Best - Andrew

Re: Recomended IDE-RAID MB

[Christian Reis]

On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 01:00:32AM -0600, Andrew B. Cramer wrote:
> 
> 	What brand of motherboard would you use for just mirroring two huge 
> IDE drives?

I'd just make sure the drives were fast, that the MB supported ATA100
and that you used 80w IDE cables. My Soyo Dragon Plus gets fairly good
throughput; unfortunately, my drives are too slow, which means the total
performance would be better than:

Version 1.02c       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
blackjesus     512M  7128  64  8339   6  4925   3  8256  70 13530   5 161.1   0
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP /sec %CP
                 16 11707  97 +++++ +++ 13882  99  8859  76 +++++ +++ 12141 100

In my experience it takes at the most 5 minutes to resync the
(on-average) 2GB partitions it is cut up into.

This board also includes Promise IDE Hardware RAID, but I've never used
it and can't comment on its performance.

Take care,
--
Christian Reis, Senior Engineer, Async Open Source, Brazil.
http://async.com.br/~kiko/ | [+55 16] 261 2331 | NMFL

Re: Recomended IDE-RAID MB

[Andrew B. Cramer]

Christian,
	Thank you for your input. Just about any speed drive will eat up a T-
1. I'm just looking for maybe most supported, and reliable. Drives 
are cheap and I will be getting either ATA100 or 133 drives.

Best - Andrew

On 6 Apr 2003 at 11:38, Christian Reis wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 01:00:32AM -0600, Andrew B. Cramer wrote:
> > 
> > 	What brand of motherboard would you use for just mirroring two huge 
> > IDE drives?
> 
> I'd just make sure the drives were fast, that the MB supported ATA100
> and that you used 80w IDE cables. My Soyo Dragon Plus gets fairly good
> throughput; unfortunately, my drives are too slow, which means the total
> performance would be better than:
> 
> Version 1.02c       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
>                     -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
> Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
> blackjesus     512M  7128  64  8339   6  4925   3  8256  70 13530   5 161.1   0
>                     ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
>                     -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
>               files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP /sec %CP
>                  16 11707  97 +++++ +++ 13882  99  8859  76 +++++ +++ 12141 100
> 
> In my experience it takes at the most 5 minutes to resync the
> (on-average) 2GB partitions it is cut up into.
> 
> This board also includes Promise IDE Hardware RAID, but I've never used
> it and can't comment on its performance.
> 
> Take care,
> --
> Christian Reis, Senior Engineer, Async Open Source, Brazil.
> http://async.com.br/~kiko/ | [+55 16] 261 2331 | NMFL
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Re: Recomended IDE-RAID MB

[Matt McKenzie]

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In my experience where I work, the Tyan motherboards with built in RAID 
work well.
Some of them have Promise RAID chip, and the higher end ones have 
Adaptec RAID chip, integrated on the motherboard.

I have no throughput test numbers to give.



Andrew B. Cramer wrote:

>Christian,
>	Thank you for your input. Just about any speed drive will eat up a T-
>1. I'm just looking for maybe most supported, and reliable. Drives 
>are cheap and I will be getting either ATA100 or 133 drives.
>
>Best - Andrew
>
>On 6 Apr 2003 at 11:38, Christian Reis wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 01:00:32AM -0600, Andrew B. Cramer wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>	What brand of motherboard would you use for just mirroring two huge 
>>>IDE drives?
>>>      
>>>
>>I'd just make sure the drives were fast, that the MB supported ATA100
>>and that you used 80w IDE cables. My Soyo Dragon Plus gets fairly good
>>throughput; unfortunately, my drives are too slow, which means the total
>>performance would be better than:
>>
>>Version 1.02c       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
>>                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
>>Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
>>blackjesus     512M  7128  64  8339   6  4925   3  8256  70 13530   5 161.1   0
>>                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
>>                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
>>              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP /sec %CP
>>                 16 11707  97 +++++ +++ 13882  99  8859  76 +++++ +++ 12141 100
>>
>>In my experience it takes at the most 5 minutes to resync the
>>(on-average) 2GB partitions it is cut up into.
>>
>>This board also includes Promise IDE Hardware RAID, but I've never used
>>it and can't comment on its performance.
>>
>>Take care,
>>--
>>Christian Reis, Senior Engineer, Async Open Source, Brazil.
>>http://async.com.br/~kiko/ | [+55 16] 261 2331 | NMFL
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Re: Recomended IDE-RAID MB

[Andrew B. Cramer]

Thanks,
	I like TYAN except they have been quite restrictive with memory 
requirements before. I'll look at their products again. I think the 
AHA-RAID chip makes more sense.

Cheers - Andrew (ICQ # 243211228)

On 6 Apr 2003 at 15:12, Matt McKenzie wrote:

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> In my experience where I work, the Tyan motherboards with built in RAID 
> work well.
> Some of them have Promise RAID chip, and the higher end ones have 
> Adaptec RAID chip, integrated on the motherboard.
> 
> I have no throughput test numbers to give.
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew B. Cramer wrote:
> 
> >Christian,
> >	Thank you for your input. Just about any speed drive will eat up a T-
> >1. I'm just looking for maybe most supported, and reliable. Drives 
> >are cheap and I will be getting either ATA100 or 133 drives.
> >
> >Best - Andrew
> >
> >On 6 Apr 2003 at 11:38, Christian Reis wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 01:00:32AM -0600, Andrew B. Cramer wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>	What brand of motherboard would you use for just mirroring two huge 
> >>>IDE drives?
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I'd just make sure the drives were fast, that the MB supported ATA100
> >>and that you used 80w IDE cables. My Soyo Dragon Plus gets fairly good
> >>throughput; unfortunately, my drives are too slow, which means the total
> >>performance would be better than:
> >>
> >>Version 1.02c       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
> >>                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
> >>Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
> >>blackjesus     512M  7128  64  8339   6  4925   3  8256  70 13530   5 161.1   0
> >>                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
> >>                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
> >>              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP /sec %CP
> >>                 16 11707  97 +++++ +++ 13882  99  8859  76 +++++ +++ 12141 100
> >>
> >>In my experience it takes at the most 5 minutes to resync the
> >>(on-average) 2GB partitions it is cut up into.
> >>
> >>This board also includes Promise IDE Hardware RAID, but I've never used
> >>it and can't comment on its performance.
> >>
> >>Take care,
> >>--
> >>Christian Reis, Senior Engineer, Async Open Source, Brazil.
> >>http://async.com.br/~kiko/ | [+55 16] 261 2331 | NMFL
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Kernel Panic

[Ben Clewett]

Dear Linux Admin,

On Linux 2.4 I have had three Kernel Panics recently.

They include the following: journal.o "( ret != 0 )".  I see in the 
source code that there is an assertion: J_ASSERT(ret != 0) in the function:

unsigned long journal_bmap(journal_t *journal, unsigned long blocknr)

Which looks like a possible place for the origin of this.

There is also a large amount of Hex data, which I do not have, unless 
logged somewhere on my system unknown to me.  (I don't get many Panics, 
not sure where panic data is logged...)

On reboot I loose files.  Although nothing serious yet.

The system is a POP3 server, handling about 1,000 email files and about 
10,000 email's a day, so there is constantly great disk load by sendmail 
and the default redhat POP3.

Should I upgrade my kernel, or may I be doing something specific to 
cause this?

Thanks with any help,

Ben Clewett.

Re: Kernel Panic

[Jamie Harris]

Sounds to me like you have bad sectors on your harddisk that the
journalling file system is trying to work around.  What file system are
you using and what hardware?

cheers

Jamie...

> Dear Linux Admin,
>
> On Linux 2.4 I have had three Kernel Panics recently.
>
> They include the following: journal.o "( ret != 0 )".  I see in the
> source code that there is an assertion: J_ASSERT(ret != 0) in the
> function:
>
> unsigned long journal_bmap(journal_t *journal, unsigned long blocknr)
>
> Which looks like a possible place for the origin of this.
>
> There is also a large amount of Hex data, which I do not have, unless
> logged somewhere on my system unknown to me.  (I don't get many Panics,
> not sure where panic data is logged...)
>
> On reboot I loose files.  Although nothing serious yet.
>
> The system is a POP3 server, handling about 1,000 email files and about
> 10,000 email's a day, so there is constantly great disk load by sendmail
>  and the default redhat POP3.
>
> Should I upgrade my kernel, or may I be doing something specific to
> cause this?
>
> Thanks with any help,
>
> Ben Clewett.
>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Ben Clewett]

The filesystem are ext2 and ex3:

Filesystem    Type   1M-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda3     ext3       37038      1860     33296   6% /
/dev/hdc1     ext3        1969       119      1750   7% /apache
/dev/hda1     ext2          30         6        23  19% /boot
/dev/hdc3     ext2       37560       279     35373   1% /var/spool/mail
/dev/hdc4     ext2       35087        76     33229   1% /home


The kernel panic mensions journal.o so I guess this must be an ext3 
partision?  Probably on the '/' as no files in the 'apache' are ever 
effected.

I am not sure about the hardware, it's not easy to check, but I belive 
my /dev/hda is a 40Gb someting purchaced a year back.  On IDE.  Either a 
Seagate, a Fujisu or a Western Digital.   (Can't get cover off as 
rack-mounted and rack screwed into removable cover :)

I hope you can help me, as the implications of an old kernel or an old 
disk have radically different fix's :)

Ben

Jamie Harris wrote:
> Sounds to me like you have bad sectors on your harddisk that the
> journalling file system is trying to work around.  What file system are
> you using and what hardware?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Jamie...
> 
> 
>>Dear Linux Admin,
>>
>>On Linux 2.4 I have had three Kernel Panics recently.
>>
>>They include the following: journal.o "( ret != 0 )".  I see in the
>>source code that there is an assertion: J_ASSERT(ret != 0) in the
>>function:
>>
>>unsigned long journal_bmap(journal_t *journal, unsigned long blocknr)
>>
>>Which looks like a possible place for the origin of this.
>>
>>There is also a large amount of Hex data, which I do not have, unless
>>logged somewhere on my system unknown to me.  (I don't get many Panics,
>>not sure where panic data is logged...)
>>
>>On reboot I loose files.  Although nothing serious yet.
>>
>>The system is a POP3 server, handling about 1,000 email files and about
>>10,000 email's a day, so there is constantly great disk load by sendmail
>> and the default redhat POP3.
>>
>>Should I upgrade my kernel, or may I be doing something specific to
>>cause this?
>>
>>Thanks with any help,
>>
>>Ben Clewett.
>>
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> 

Re: Kernel Panic

[Jamie Harris]

> I am not sure about the hardware, it's not easy to check, but I belive
>  my /dev/hda is a 40Gb someting purchaced a year back.  On IDE.
> Either a
>  Seagate, a Fujisu or a Western Digital.   (Can't get cover off as
> rack-mounted and rack screwed into removable cover :)

I only asked to check that it wasn't on a RAID of somesort, as otherwise
it isn't going to be hardware failure!

> I hope you can help me, as the implications of an old kernel or an old
>  disk have radically different fix's :)

As these problems have only just developed I'd be surprised if it was
the Kernel.  My guess would be the disk is on its ways out.  Is anything
mentioned in your logs about the disk in question?  Also, out of
curiosity how come you've only got ext3 on a couple of file systems and
not all of them?

Exactly which kernel are you running?

cheers

Jamie...