From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
heiko carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
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Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1048940999.11846.1530640717837.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180703174833.GZ2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
----- On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 01:38:59PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 10:10:37AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:40 AM Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > So it sounds like architectures that don't have an instruction atomic u64
>> >> > *_user need to disable interrupts during the access, and somehow handle that
>> >> > case when a page fault happens?
>> >>
>> >> No. It's actually the store by *user* space that is the critical one.
>> >> Not the whole 64-bit value, just the low pointer part.
>> >>
>> >> The kernel could do it as a byte-by-byte load, really. It's
>> >> per-thread, and once the kernel is running, it's not going to change.
>> >> The kernel never changes the value, it just loads it from user space.
>> >
>> > The kernel doesn't change _this_ value, but the kernel does change other
>> > values, like for instance rseq->cpu_id. But even there, it could use
>> > byte stores and it is again the userspace load of that field that is
>> > critical again and needs to be a single op.
>>
>> I can simply document that loads/stores from/to all struct rseq fields
>> should be thread-local then ?
>
> I'm not sure that covers things sufficiently. You really want the
> userspace load/stores to be single instructions.
Yes, of course. More specifically, I would document that those need to
be single-copy atomicity load/store performed by the local thread.
> Also, I think it was rseq_update_cpu_id() where we wanted to use a
> single u64 store if possible but you worried about the stores.
With this added bit of restriction on thread-local loads, indeed we
can then update them without caring about atomicity at kernel level.
I can modify the ABI to put the cpu_id_start and cpu_id fields inside
a union, and update it with a single store.
Thoughts ?
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-03 17:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-02 22:31 [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 1:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 2:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 2:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 2:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 2:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 2:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 8:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 8:29 ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03 8:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 8:55 ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03 9:17 ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03 9:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 9:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 16:40 ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-07-03 18:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 19:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 18:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 0:19 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03 0:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 0:35 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03 1:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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