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From: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Weißschuh <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>,
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	cmirabil@redhat.com,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
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	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] vfs: syscalls: add mkdirat2() that returns an O_DIRECTORY fd
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 12:27:28 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1107708899.1358192.1778840848108@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260511-hochdekoriert-neoliberale-f7a2922bc57c@brauner>


> Op 11-05-2026 14:00 CEST schreef Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>:
> 
> mkdirat2() is objectively the worse api. It forces userspace to use a
> separate system call without any reason whatsoever. If you can to
> O_CREAT you should also be able to to O_DIRECTORY in the same system
> call. If we support O_DIRECTORY | O_CREAT we get all the lookup
> restriction niceties RESOLVE_* for free. Plus, it is supportable both in
> openat() and openat2() because I made that combo return an errno.

I don't disagree. I know that some of the UAPI feature requests are not fully
flashed out, but at least it gives a basis to get the discussion going.

In fact I already have a O_DIRECTORY | O_CREAT patch that at least passes
some initial tests. However, I need to sit on it a little bit to think whether
I am not leaving something out. Also, I understand why vfs_create() wasn't used
in the O_CREAT path, for instance because you cannot just make use of may_create_dentry()
there. But now that we are going

> 
> UAPI design often is a nasty mix of performance (context switches),
> separation of concerns and privileges, tastefulness, and compromises you
> never thought or wanted to make.
> 
> I think here it is pretty clear that O_DIRECTORY | O_CREAT is the right
> thing to do. Instead of restructuring a bunch of codepaths so it can be
> plumbed through to the filesystems we just reuse the existing codepaths
> that give us the right context for free.
> 
> And during LSFMM the VFS maintains all agreed to proceed with
> O_DIRECTORY | O_CREAT.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-15 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-12 13:54 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] vfs: syscalls: add mkdirat2() that returns an O_DIRECTORY fd Jori Koolstra
2026-04-12 13:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] " Jori Koolstra
2026-04-24 10:09   ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-04-27 15:14     ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-27 16:30       ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-04-28  8:55         ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-28 14:39           ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-04-27 15:48   ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-28  1:14     ` Aleksa Sarai
2026-04-28  6:39     ` Jeff Layton
2026-04-28  7:01       ` Jeff Layton
2026-04-28 13:39     ` Stefan Metzmacher
2026-04-28 13:49       ` Stefan Metzmacher
2026-04-28 14:01       ` Paulo Alcantara
2026-05-04 17:41     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-05-11 12:00       ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-12 17:11         ` Aleksa Sarai
2026-05-15 10:27         ` Jori Koolstra [this message]
2026-05-15 10:55         ` Jori Koolstra
2026-05-15 13:49           ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-12 13:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] selftest: add tests for mkdirat2() Jori Koolstra

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