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From: Matt Mackall <mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg-bbCR+/B0CizivPeTLB3BmA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	randy.dunlap-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	adobriyan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	remi.colinet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND][PATCH] Add /proc/mempool to display mempool usage
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:20:34 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1228170034.3196.107.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84144f020812011402v3cb3ab24pf5cb6310f2d00c5b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 00:02 +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi Linus,
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >> Hmm, I thought Documentation/ABI/ was supposed to tell us what's an
> >> ABI you can depend on and what's not. I mean, you shouldn't be
> >> depending on anything but the interfaces documented in
> >> Documentation/ABI/stable/, no?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Who is the f*cking MORON that thinks that "documentation" has any meaning
> > what-so-ever?
> 
> Me, I suppose. At least that's the impression I got when being asked
> to document any new kmemtrace debugfs files, for example.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > The fact that something is documented (whether correctly or not) has
> > absolutely _zero_ impact on anything at all. What makes something an ABI
> > is that it's useful and available. The only way something isn't an ABI is
> > by _explicitly_ making sure that it's not available even by mistake in a
> > stable form for binary use.
> 
> OK, but why do we have those different ABI "stages" in
> Documentation/ABI then? The README file there seems to contradict what
> you say. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong...

If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain. – Swedish
army manual.

If code uses a public interface and we break that interface, we will get
unhappy users. Putting stuff in debugfs/ in a released kernel makes it
public. That's the terrain.

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-01 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1227980689.6354.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <1227980689.6354.24.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-29 21:42   ` [RESEND][PATCH] Add /proc/mempool to display mempool usage Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]     ` <20081129214207.GA6747-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-29 23:49       ` Greg KH
2008-12-01 18:12         ` Randy Dunlap
2008-12-01 19:13           ` Matt Mackall
2008-12-01 20:02             ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-01 20:07               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-12-01 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812011210030.3256-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-01 20:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-12-01 22:02                     ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found]                       ` <84144f020812011402v3cb3ab24pf5cb6310f2d00c5b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-01 22:20                         ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2008-12-02  2:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812011843340.3256-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04 16:02                             ` Michael Kerrisk

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