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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Nathan Lynch <nathanl@austin.ibm.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	mpm@selenic.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	xemul@openvz.org
Subject: Re: Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:11:54 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1235070714.26788.56.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090219190637.GA4846@x200.localdomain>

On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:06 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> Inotify isn't supported yet? You do
> 
>         if (!list_empty(&inode->inotify_watches))
>                 return -E;
> 
> without hooking into inotify syscalls.
> 
> ptrace(2) isn't supported -- look at struct task_struct::ptraced and
> friends.
> 
> And so on.
> 
> System call (or whatever) does something with some piece of kernel
> internals. We look at this "something" when walking data structures
> and
> abort if it's scary enough.
> 
> Please, show at least one counter-example.

Alexey, I agree with you here.  I've been fighting myself internally
about these two somewhat opposing approaches.  Of *course* we can
determine the "checkpointability" at sys_checkpoint() time by checking
all the various bits of state.

The problem that I think Ingo is trying to address here is that doing it
then makes it hard to figure out _when_ you went wrong.  That's the
single most critical piece of finding out how to go address it.

I see where you are coming from.  Ingo's suggestion has the *huge*
downside that we've got to go muck with a lot of generic code and hook
into all the things we don't support.

I think what I posted is a decent compromise.  It gets you those
warnings at runtime and is a one-way trip for any given process.  But,
it does detect in certain cases (fork() and unshare(FILES)) when it is
safe to make the trip back to the "I'm checkpointable" state again.

-- Dave

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Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-27 17:07 [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:07 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 01/14] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 02/14] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 03/14] Make file_pos_read/write() public Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 04/14] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 05/14] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-02-24  7:47   ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found]     ` <20090224014739.1b82fc35-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-24 16:06       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18  7:21     ` Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 06/14] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 07/14] Restore " Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 08/14] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 09/14] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 11/14] External checkpoint of a task other than ourself Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 13/14] Checkpoint multiple processes Oren Laadan
     [not found] ` <1233076092-8660-1-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 10/14] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 12/14] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 14/14] Restart multiple processes Oren Laadan
2009-02-10 17:05 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-11 22:14   ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20090212091721.GB1888-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 18:11         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 20:48           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:20           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 19:30       ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 19:42         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 21:51           ` What can OpenVZ do? Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 22:10             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 23:04               ` How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: " Dave Hansen
2009-02-26 15:57                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 21:53                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 23:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  8:26                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 14:53                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 21:01                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-12 21:21                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  4:29                             ` Ying Han
2009-03-13  5:34                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                 ` <20090313053458.GA28833-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13  6:19                                   ` Ying Han
2009-03-13 17:27                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 19:02                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903131018390.3940-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 19:35                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-13 21:01                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 21:51                                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 22:15                                           ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-14  0:27                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  8:12                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16 22:33                                                 ` Kevin Fox
2009-03-19 21:19                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903131401070.3940-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14  0:20                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  8:25                                             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                               ` <20090314082532.GB16436-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14 17:11                                                 ` Joseph Ruscio
2009-03-16  6:01                                               ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 20:48                                   ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-13 22:35                                     ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-18 18:54                                       ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-18 19:04                                         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                               ` <604427e00903122129y37ad791aq5fe7ef2552415da9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 15:27                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                                   ` <49BA7B60.60607-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 17:11                                     ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-13 17:37                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 15:47                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 16:35                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 16:53                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 16:27                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-26 17:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                     ` <20090226173302.GB29439-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-26 18:30                       ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-26 22:17                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                           ` <20090226221709.GA2924-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27  9:19                             ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-27 10:53                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 14:33                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-27  9:36                           ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 22:31                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27  9:19                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:57                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                           ` <20090227090323.GC16211-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27  9:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:59                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 16:14                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-27 21:57                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                             ` <20090227215749.GA3453-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27 21:54                               ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                         ` <20090226223112.GA2939-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01  1:33                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                             ` <20090301013304.GA2428-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01 20:02                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20090301200231.GA25276-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01 20:56                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 22:21                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-03 16:17                                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-03 18:28                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:53               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20090213105302.GC4608-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 20:51                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-17 22:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <20090217222319.GA10546-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17 22:30                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  0:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  0:40                             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  5:11                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-18 18:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                   ` <20090218181644.GD19995-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-18 21:27                                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18 23:15                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 19:06                                         ` Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?) Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-19 19:11                                           ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2009-02-24  4:47                                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                                               ` <20090224044752.GB3202-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-24  5:11                                                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24 15:43                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-24 20:09                                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-12 22:17             ` What can OpenVZ do? Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 10:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 11:32               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 11:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 22:28                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  0:04                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-12 22:57         ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 23:05           ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 23:13             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-13 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-14 23:31           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:50             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20090213152836.0fbbfa7d.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 17:37           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:45         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  3:57           ` Oren Laadan
     [not found] <c6GC9-3l7-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]     ` <c6INu-6Ol-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <c6MR7-54s-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <c6ZbG-hF-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <c729F-5gF-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <c73S1-8dJ-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <c7mrC-4YD-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <c7mBk-5b2-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                   ` <c8Xp3-3TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2009-02-24 13:00                     ` Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?) Bodo Eggert

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