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From: john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Kuwahara,T."
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Cc: Richard Cochran
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	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc-9GfyWEdoJtJmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Rodolfo Giometti <giometti-k2GhghHVRtY@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 1/8] ntp: add ADJ_SETOFFSET mode bit
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:00:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1293062410.2404.186.camel@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmTzH8+fSYmbajqZ+hU5Ps-UZaTp_1TYzjHB6P-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 05:27 +0900, Kuwahara,T. wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM, john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > I don't see why that would be better then adding a
> > clear new mode flag?
> 
> In short, time step is a special case of time slew.  Those are the same,
> only different in one parameter, as is shown in my previous post.
> That's why I said there's no need for adding a new mode.

Sure, I get that a instantaneous offset adjustment could be represented
as a instantaneous slew of the same amount. But what is the benefit of
doing this? The ADJ_OFFSET isn't really a continuous function like you
describe. For instance, you can't slew time backwards. The amount you
can slow or speed up the clock is limited, so time will always increase.
So to have a magic value way outside the bound of normal operation that
does something special seems a bit obfuscated.

ADJ_SETOFFSET isn't slewing the clock. So I think its much clearer to
add a new mode, rather then to try to wedge the functionality into a
corner case of ADJ_OFFSET slewing just because one could mathematically
represent it the same way.

I see the cost of adding it as a special case as adding extra complexity
to an already complex subsystem. Doing things that make the code easier
to understand and read makes it more maintainable. And I don't see the
gain (other then saving a bit in the bit flag) to offset the complexity
of trying to squeeze this functionality into the ADJ_OFFSET mode.

thanks
-john

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-23  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-16 15:41 [PATCH V7 0/8] ptp: IEEE 1588 hardware clock support Richard Cochran
     [not found] ` <cover.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-16 15:41   ` [PATCH V7 1/8] ntp: add ADJ_SETOFFSET mode bit Richard Cochran
     [not found]     ` <880d82bb8120f73973db27e0c48e949014b1a106.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-16 17:48       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-17 20:16       ` Kuwahara,T.
     [not found]         ` <AANLkTi=yGoFwYt4p_LeHtAQyYgmURspO-p57UdL0sUEZ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21  7:56           ` Richard Cochran
     [not found]             ` <20101221075612.GA13626-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 20:57               ` Kuwahara,T.
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTimJd5pScKTiDxuYd-h+NevYbCusyvUAqmUDXe8h-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 22:25                   ` john stultz
2010-12-22  7:13                     ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-22 20:27                     ` Kuwahara,T.
     [not found]                       ` <AANLkTimmTzH8+fSYmbajqZ+hU5Ps-UZaTp_1TYzjHB6P-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-23  0:00                         ` john stultz [this message]
2010-12-23  6:13                         ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-25 20:38                           ` Kuwahara,T.
2010-12-26 14:14                             ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-21 19:37         ` john stultz
2010-12-21 21:13           ` Kuwahara,T.
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTikHV-qN73Zvvvxn76vtFFKG_VNTQhF3qpqTnOrE-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 21:59               ` john stultz
2010-12-22  7:11                 ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-22  9:58                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-12-16 15:42   ` [PATCH V7 2/8] posix clocks: introduce a syscall for clock tuning Richard Cochran
     [not found]     ` <a93ce18c2987f7e102bc2ff5b12130211c222ea7.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-16 15:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-16 17:55       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-16 15:43   ` [PATCH V7 4/8] posix clocks: hook dynamic clocks into system calls Richard Cochran
     [not found]     ` <6241238a1df55033e50b151ec9d35ba957e43d53.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-16 23:20       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-17  7:04         ` Richard Cochran
     [not found]           ` <20101217070450.GB2982-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-17 10:03             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-21  8:00               ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-22  8:21               ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-16 15:44   ` [PATCH V7 5/8] ptp: Added a brand new class driver for ptp clocks Richard Cochran
2010-12-16 15:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-16 16:08     ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-12-16 15:44   ` [PATCH V7 7/8] ptp: Added a clock driver for the IXP46x Richard Cochran
     [not found]     ` <d2e0a5ac5eb51e9e4c7fcc94723b67c72c2f57c1.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-02  8:45       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20110102084505.GA3980-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-02  9:12           ` Richard Cochran
     [not found]             ` <20110102091233.GA2847-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-02  9:20               ` Pavel Machek
2011-01-03 17:07                 ` Richard Cochran
     [not found]                   ` <20110103170732.GA3700-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-06 20:04                     ` Pavel Machek
2011-01-02  9:19           ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-16 15:43 ` [PATCH V7 3/8] posix clocks: introduce dynamic clocks Richard Cochran
     [not found]   ` <8debe4d48d9a6484b7fbd35d8888524155fed977.1292512461.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-16 16:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-16 20:56   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-17  6:29     ` Richard Cochran
2010-12-16 15:44 ` [PATCH V7 6/8] ptp: Added a clock that uses the eTSEC found on the MPC85xx Richard Cochran
2010-12-16 15:45 ` [PATCH V7 8/8] ptp: Added a clock driver for the National Semiconductor PHYTER Richard Cochran

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