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From: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
	<acme-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Richard Cochran
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	Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] perf: Userspace software event and ioctl
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:20:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1411665649.4768.84.camel@hornet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140924074942.GB3797-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 08:49 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2014-09-18 at 15:34 +0100, Pawel Moll wrote:
> > > This patch adds a PERF_COUNT_SW_USERSPACE_EVENT type,
> > > which can be generated by user with PERF_EVENT_IOC_ENTRY
> > > ioctl command, which injects an event of said type into
> > > the perf buffer.
> > 
> > It occurred to me last night that currently perf doesn't handle "write"
> > syscall at all, while this seems like the most natural way of
> > "injecting" userspace events into perf buffer.
> > 
> > An ioctl would still be needed to set a type of the following events,
> > something like:
> > 
> > 	ioctl(SET_TYPE, 0x42);
> > 	write(perf_fd, binaryblob, size);
> > 	ioctl(SET_TYPE, 0);
> > 	dprintf(perf_fd, "String");
> > 
> > which is fine for use cases when the type doesn't change often, 
> > but would double the amount of syscalls when every single event 
> > is of a different type. Perhaps there still should be a 
> > "generating ioctl" taking both type and data/size in one go?
> 
> Absolutely, there should be a single syscall.

Yeah, it's my gut feeling as well. I just wonder if we still want to
keep write() handler for operations on perf fds? This seems natural -
takes data buffer and its size. The only issue is the type.

> I'd even argue it should be a new prctl(): that way we could both 
> generate user events for specific perf fds, but also into any 
> currently active context (that allows just generation/injection 
> of user events). In the latter case we might have no fd to work 
> off from.

When Arnaldo suggested that the "user events" could be used by perf
trace, it was exactly my first thought. I just didn't have answer how to
present it to the user (an extra syscall didn't seem like a good idea),
but prctl seems interesting, something like this?

	prctl(PR_TRACE_UEVENT, type, size, data, 0);

How would we select tasks that can write to a given buffer? Maybe an
ioctl() on a perf fd? Something like this?

	ioctl(perf_fd, PERF_EVENT_IOC_ENABLE_UEVENT, pid);
	ioctl(perf_fd, PERF_EVENT_IOC_DISABLE_UEVENT, pid);

It could set/clear a flag in pid's task_struct (but probably not in the
"normal" flags, as they are only supposed to be set by owner and in
ptrace/fork case) and a pointer to the task in perf_event(_context).

Or maybe some variation on ptrace would be more in place? This would
also solve issue of permission checking (if the profiling tool can
ptrace the process, it can also enable/disable its uevent generation
capability).

Paweł


Or maybe it should go through ptrace?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-25 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-18 14:34 [PATCH 0/2] perf: User/kernel time correlation and event generation Pawel Moll
2014-09-18 14:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf: Add sampling of the raw monotonic clock Pawel Moll
     [not found]   ` <1411050873-9310-2-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 15:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <20140929152832.GL4140-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 15:45         ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-18 14:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: Userspace software event and ioctl Pawel Moll
2014-09-23 17:02   ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-24  7:49     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20140924074942.GB3797-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-25 17:20         ` Pawel Moll [this message]
2014-09-25 18:33           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20140925183342.GB6854-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 10:48               ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-26 11:23                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <20140926112312.GB9870-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 11:26                     ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-26 11:31                       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-09-27 17:14             ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]               ` <CAFTL4hy1d8twv2tGxc4EhCeDm7ApnH7SuK26W1yaekKhCrPMZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 14:52                 ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-29 15:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20140929153257.GM4140-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 15:53       ` Pawel Moll
2014-11-03 14:48         ` Tomeu Vizoso
2014-11-03 15:04           ` Pawel Moll
     [not found] ` <1411050873-9310-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-18 15:02   ` [PATCH 0/2] perf: User/kernel time correlation and event generation Christopher Covington
     [not found]     ` <541AF40B.7070604-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-18 15:07       ` Pawel Moll
2014-09-18 15:48         ` Christopher Covington

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