From: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@suse.cz>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
x86@kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com>, Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>,
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Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Fabian Frederick <fabf@skynet.be>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>D
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] epoll: Add epoll_pwait1 syscall
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:12:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1420708372.18399.15.camel@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1420705550-24245-1-git-send-email-famz@redhat.com>
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 16:25 +0800, Fam Zheng wrote:
> Applications could use epoll interface when then need to poll a big number of
> files in their main loops, to achieve better performance than ppoll(2). Except
> for one concern: epoll only takes timeout parameters in microseconds, rather
> than nanoseconds.
>
> That is a drawback we should address. For a real case in QEMU, we run into a
> scalability issue with ppoll(2) when many devices are attached to guest, in
> which case many host fds, such as virtual disk images and sockets, need to be
> polled by the main loop. As a result we are looking at switching to epoll, but
> the coarse timeout precision is a trouble, as explained below.
>
> We're already using prctl(PR_SET_TIMERSLACK, 1) which is necessary to implement
> timers in the main loop; and we call ppoll(2) with the next firing timer as
> timeout, so when ppoll(2) returns, we know that we have more work to do (either
> handling IO events, or fire a timer callback). This is natual and efficient,
> except that ppoll(2) itself is slow.
>
> Now that we want to switch to epoll, to speed up the polling. However the timer
> slack setting will be effectively undone, because that way we will have to
> round up the timeout to microseconds honoring timer contract. But consequently,
> this hurts the general responsiveness.
>
> Note: there are two alternatives, without changing kernel:
>
> 1) Leading ppoll(2), with the epollfd only and a nanosecond timeout. It won't
> be slow as one fd is polled. No more scalability issue. And if there are
> events, we know from ppoll(2)'s return, then we do the epoll_wait(2) with
> timeout=0; otherwise, there can't be events for the epoll, skip the following
> epoll_wait and just continue with other work.
>
> 2) Setup and add a timerfd to epoll, then we do epoll_wait(..., timeout=-1).
> The timerfd will hopefully force epoll_wait to return when it timeouts, even if
> no other events have arrived. This will inheritly give us timerfd's precision.
> Note that for each poll, the desired timeout is different because the next
> timer is different, so that, before each epoll_wait(2), there will be a
> timerfd_settime syscall to set it to a proper value.
>
> Unfortunately, both approaches require one more syscall per iteration, compared
> to the original single ppoll(2), cost of which is unneglectable when we talk
> about nanosecond granularity.
Please consider adding a "flags" argument to the new syscall (and
returning EINVAL if non-zero). See this article, which shows that
extended syscalls almost always want flags, and they often get it only
on the second try:
http://lwn.net/Articles/585415/
Thanks,
Miklos
P.S. stray apostrophes in To: and Cc: lines seems to be causing trouble.
next parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-08 9:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1420705550-24245-1-git-send-email-famz@redhat.com>
2015-01-08 9:12 ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
[not found] ` <1420708372.18399.15.camel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-08 11:07 ` [PATCH 0/3] epoll: Add epoll_pwait1 syscall Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-08 17:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVyPij1Zxwmw7p06UrZjoyYDXqEjmxyQ-KJ8Y7dx7mL3g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-08 18:42 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-01-08 19:31 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-01-08 19:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 1:25 ` Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <20150109011608.GA2924-+wGkCoP0yD+sDdueE5tM26fLeoKvNuZc@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 1:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 1:52 ` Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <20150109015248.GA5034-+wGkCoP0yD+sDdueE5tM26fLeoKvNuZc@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 2:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 4:49 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-09 5:21 ` Josh Triplett
2015-01-12 8:24 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-12 10:08 ` Josh Triplett
2015-01-12 13:23 ` Fam Zheng
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