From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mingo@elte.hu, hpa@zytor.com,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:03:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022170325.GA4908@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FF4EB2.5060206@cs.columbia.edu>
Quoting Oren Laadan (orenl@cs.columbia.edu):
>
>
> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Oren Laadan (orenl@cs.columbia.edu):
> > Just thinking aloud...
> >
> > Is read mode appropriate? The user can edit the statefile and restart
> > it. Admittedly the restart code should then do all the appropriate
> > checks for recreating resources, but I'm having a hard time thinking
> > through this straight.
> >
> > Let's say hallyn is running passwd. ruid=500,euid=0. He quickly
> > checkpoints. Then he restarts. Will restart say "ok, the /bin/passwd
> > binary is setuid 0 so let hallyn take euid=0 for this?" I guess not.
> > But are there other resources for which this is harder to get right?
>
> I'd say that checkpoint and restart are separate.
>
> In checkpoint, you read the state and save it somewhere; you don't
> modify anything in the target task (container). This equivalent to
> ptrace read-mode. If you could do ptrace, you could save all that
> state. In fact, you could save it in a format that is suitable for
> a future restart ... (or just forge one !)
Yeah, that's convincing.
> In restart, we either don't trust the user and keep everything to
> be done with her credentials, of we trust the root user and allow
> all operations (like loading a kernel module).
>
> We can actually have both modes of operations. How to decide that
> we trust the user is a separate question: one option is to have
> both checkpoint and restart executables setuid - checkpoint will
> sign (in user space) the output image, and restart (in user space)
> will validate the signature, before passing it to the kenrel. Surely
> there are other ways...
Makes sense.
...
> > Hmm, so do you think we just always use the caller's credentials?
>
> Nope, since we will fail to restart in many cases. We will need a way
> to move from caller's credentials to saved credentials, and even from
> caller's credentials to privileged credentials (e.g. to reopen a file
> that was created by a setuid program prior to dropping privileges).
Can we agree to worry about that much much later? :) Would you agree
that for the majority of use-cases, restarting with caller's credentials
will work? Or am I wrong about that?
> To do that, we will need to agree on a way to escalate/change the
> credentials. This however belongs to user-space (and then the binaries
> for checkpoint/restart will be setuid themselves).
Ok those are less scary, and I have no problem with those.
> There will also be the issue of mapping credentials: a user A may have
> one UID/GID on once system and another UID/GID on another system, and
> we may want to do the conversion. This, too, can be done in user space
> prior to restart by using an appropriate filter through the checkpoint
> stream.
User namespaces may help here too. So user A can create a new user
namespace and restart as user B in that namespace. But right now that
sounds like overkill.
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-22 17:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-20 5:40 [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-3-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20081021124130.a002e838.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081021202410.GA10423-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-22 1:33 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 2:55 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
[not found] ` <20081022025513.GA7504-FDxGpBj5bhMn2ysHARXsoQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 3:02 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 14:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
[not found] ` <48FE82DF.6030005-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 15:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081022152804.GA23821-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 16:02 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 17:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
[not found] ` <20081022170325.GA4908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 8:27 ` Peter Chubb
[not found] ` <87tzayh27r.wl%peter-LkDQP0DxSMGxwJ88Py/mJxCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 11:03 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <49059FED.4030202-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 16:42 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 17:11 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <4905F648.4030402-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 20:51 ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 21:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:51 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <490637D8.4080404-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 22:09 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 18:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-7-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-28 16:48 ` Michael Kerrisk
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-1-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 5/9] Restore memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 7/9] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 19:21 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20081021122135.4bce362c.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20081022092024.GC12453-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 11:51 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:55 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
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