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From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:14:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090211141434.dfa1d079.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1234285547.30155.6.camel@nimitz>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:05:47 -0800
Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 12:07 -0500, Oren Laadan wrote:
> > Checkpoint-restart (c/r): a couple of fixes in preparation for 64bit
> > architectures, and a couple of fixes for bugss (comments from Serge
> > Hallyn, Sudakvev Bhattiprolu and Nathan Lynch). Updated and tested
> > against v2.6.28.
> > 
> > Aiming for -mm.
> 
> Is there anything that we're waiting on before these can go into -mm?  I
> think the discussion on the first few patches has died down to almost
> nothing.  They're pretty reviewed-out.  Do they need a run in -mm?  I
> don't think linux-next is quite appropriate since they're not _quite_
> aimed at mainline yet.
> 

I raised an issue a few months ago and got inconclusively waffled at. 
Let us revisit.

I am concerned that this implementation is a bit of a toy, and that we
don't know what a sufficiently complete implementation will look like. 
There is a risk that if we merge the toy we either:

a) end up having to merge unacceptably-expensive-to-maintain code to
   make it a non-toy or

b) decide not to merge the unacceptably-expensive-to-maintain code,
   leaving us with a toy or

c) simply cannot work out how to implement the missing functionality.


So perhaps we can proceed by getting you guys to fill out the following
paperwork:

- In bullet-point form, what features are present?

- In bullet-point form, what features are missing, and should be added?

- Is it possible to briefly sketch out the design of the to-be-added
  features?

For extra marks:

- Will any of this involve non-trivial serialisation of kernel
  objects?  If so, that's getting into the
  unacceptably-expensive-to-maintain space, I suspect.

- Does (or will) this feature also support process migration?  If
  not, I'd have thought this to be a showstopper.

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Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-27 17:07 [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:07 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 01/14] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 02/14] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 03/14] Make file_pos_read/write() public Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 04/14] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 05/14] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-02-24  7:47   ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found]     ` <20090224014739.1b82fc35-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-24 16:06       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18  7:21     ` Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 06/14] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 07/14] Restore " Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 08/14] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 09/14] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 11/14] External checkpoint of a task other than ourself Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 13/14] Checkpoint multiple processes Oren Laadan
     [not found] ` <1233076092-8660-1-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 10/14] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 12/14] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08   ` [RFC v13][PATCH 14/14] Restart multiple processes Oren Laadan
2009-02-10 17:05 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-11 22:14   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-02-12  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20090212091721.GB1888-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 18:11         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 20:48           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:20           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 19:30       ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 19:42         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 21:51           ` What can OpenVZ do? Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 22:10             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 23:04               ` How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: " Dave Hansen
2009-02-26 15:57                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 21:53                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 23:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  8:26                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 14:53                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 21:01                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-12 21:21                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  4:29                             ` Ying Han
2009-03-13  5:34                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                 ` <20090313053458.GA28833-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13  6:19                                   ` Ying Han
2009-03-13 17:27                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 19:02                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903131018390.3940-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 19:35                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-13 21:01                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 21:51                                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 22:15                                           ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-14  0:27                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  8:12                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16 22:33                                                 ` Kevin Fox
2009-03-19 21:19                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903131401070.3940-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14  0:20                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  8:25                                             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                               ` <20090314082532.GB16436-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14 17:11                                                 ` Joseph Ruscio
2009-03-16  6:01                                               ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 20:48                                   ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-13 22:35                                     ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-18 18:54                                       ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-18 19:04                                         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                               ` <604427e00903122129y37ad791aq5fe7ef2552415da9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 15:27                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                                   ` <49BA7B60.60607-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-13 17:11                                     ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-13 17:37                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 15:47                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 16:35                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 16:53                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 16:27                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-26 17:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                     ` <20090226173302.GB29439-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-26 18:30                       ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-26 22:17                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                           ` <20090226221709.GA2924-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27  9:19                             ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-27 10:53                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 14:33                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-27  9:36                           ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 22:31                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27  9:19                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:57                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                           ` <20090227090323.GC16211-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27  9:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:59                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 16:14                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-27 21:57                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                             ` <20090227215749.GA3453-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-27 21:54                               ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                         ` <20090226223112.GA2939-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01  1:33                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                             ` <20090301013304.GA2428-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01 20:02                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20090301200231.GA25276-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-01 20:56                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 22:21                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-03 16:17                                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-03 18:28                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:53               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20090213105302.GC4608-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 20:51                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-17 22:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <20090217222319.GA10546-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17 22:30                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  0:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  0:40                             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  5:11                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-18 18:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                   ` <20090218181644.GD19995-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-18 21:27                                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18 23:15                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 19:06                                         ` Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?) Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-19 19:11                                           ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24  4:47                                             ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]                                               ` <20090224044752.GB3202-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-24  5:11                                                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24 15:43                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-24 20:09                                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-12 22:17             ` What can OpenVZ do? Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 10:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 11:32               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 11:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 22:28                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  0:04                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-12 22:57         ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 23:05           ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 23:13             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-13 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-14 23:31           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:50             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20090213152836.0fbbfa7d.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 17:37           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:45         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  3:57           ` Oren Laadan

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