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From: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl@librato.com>
Cc: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>,
	randy.dunlap@oracle.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Nathan Lynch <nathanl@austin.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Louis.Rilling@kerlabs.com,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, hpa@zytor.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	roland@redhat.com, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][v8][PATCH 0/10] Implement clone3() system call
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:51:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091020005125.GG27627@count0.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ADCDE7F.4090501@librato.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 05:47:43PM -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> 
> 
> Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> > Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
> >> Daniel Lezcano [daniel.lezcano@free.fr] wrote:
> >>   
> >>> Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>> Subject: [RFC][v8][PATCH 0/10] Implement clone3() system call
> >>>>

<snip>

> > Another point. It's another way to extend the exhausted clone  flags as 
> > the cloneat can be called as a compatibility way, with cloneat(getpid(), 
> > 0, ... )
> 
> Which is what the proposed new clone_....() does.

Just to be clear -- Suka's proposing to extend the clone flags. However I
don't believe reusing the "pid" parameters as Daniel seemed to suggest
was ever part of Suka's proposed changes.

<snip>

> > I don't really see a difference between sys_restart(pid_t pid , int fd, 
> > long flags) where pid_t is the topmost in the hierarchy, fd is a file 
> > descriptor to a structure "pid_t * + struct clone_args *" and flags is 
> > "PROCTREE".

I think the difference has to do with keeping the code maintainable.

Clone creates the process so it's already involved in allocating and
assigning pids to the new task. Switching pids at sys_restart() would 
add another point in the code where pids are allocated and assigned.
This suggests we may have to worry about introducing new obscure races
for anyone who's working on the pid allocator to be careful of. At
least when all the code is "localized" to the clone paths we can be
reasonably certain of proper maintenance.

<snip>

> I really really really hope we can settle down on *a* name,
> *any* name, and move forward. Amen.

clone3() seemed to be the leading contender from what I've read so far.
Does anyone still object to clone3() after reading the whole thread?

Cheers,
	-Matt Helsley

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-20  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-13  4:49 [RFC][v8][PATCH 0/10] Implement clone3() system call Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found] ` <20091013044925.GA28181-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13  4:49   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 1/10]: Factor out code to allocate pidmap page Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:50   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 2/10]: Have alloc_pidmap() return actual error code Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:50   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 3/10]: Make pid_max a pid_ns property Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091013045041.GC28435-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13  5:19       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-10-13 13:09       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]         ` <4AD47C1F.7040703-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 15:24           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-10-13 16:10             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-10-13 16:28               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-10-13  4:51   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 4/10]: Add target_pid parameter to alloc_pidmap() Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091013045104.GD28435-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 11:50       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]         ` <4AD46977.5020303-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-15  0:24           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:51   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 5/10]: Add target_pids parameter to alloc_pid() Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:52   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 6/10]: Add target_pids parameter to copy_process() Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:52   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 7/10]: Check invalid clone flags Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091013045234.GG28435-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 18:35       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <4AD4C88D.7040008-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 23:38           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:52   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 8/10]: Define do_fork_with_pids() Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13  4:54   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 9/10]: Define clone3() syscall Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091013045439.GI28435-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 18:46       ` Oren Laadan
2009-10-16  4:20       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]         ` <20091016042041.GA7220-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-16  6:25           ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]             ` <cfd18e0f0910152325m4a9125c2q18f36f5bd7d4a0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-16 18:06               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                 ` <20091016180631.GA31036-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 17:44                   ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]                     ` <20091019174405.GE27627-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 21:31                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <4ADCDAA8.5080408-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 23:50                           ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]                             ` <20091019235012.GF27627-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21  4:26                               ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-10-21 13:03                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                   ` <4ADF06B7.50508-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 19:44                                     ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-21 22:03                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                       ` <20091021194440.GA1283-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 10:40                                         ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                                           ` <cfd18e0f0910220340n7c655daap78e395136c56f882-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 18:10                                             ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-22 10:26                                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-10-22 11:38                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-22 12:14                                       ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                                         ` <cfd18e0f0910220514y1bd5967aj3a04bc3f5b38948b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 12:19                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-22 13:57                                           ` Matt Helsley
2009-10-13  4:55   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 10/10]: Document " Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091013045556.GJ28435-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 12:26       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <200910141426.35338.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 18:39           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-19 21:36       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20091019213636.GB1482-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21  8:37           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-21  9:33             ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]               ` <20091021093338.GA11670-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 13:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                   ` <200910211526.50584.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 19:09                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-21 18:27           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13 20:50   ` [RFC][v8][PATCH 0/10] Implement clone3() system call Roland McGrath
     [not found]     ` <20091013205015.1ED524F7-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 23:27       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]         ` <20091013232736.GA24392-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 23:53           ` Roland McGrath
     [not found]             ` <20091013235320.E90022746-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  1:13               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                 ` <4AD525B3.2070906-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  4:36                   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                     ` <20091014043607.GA32114-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  4:38                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-14 22:36                   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                     ` <20091014223634.GB3515-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 22:49                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <4AD6557D.3090501-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-15  0:17                           ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-13 23:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]     ` <4AD511F1.7010207-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  1:39       ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]         ` <20091014013936.GC27627-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  2:24           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <4AD5365E.5090709-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  4:40               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                 ` <20091014044035.GB32114-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14  4:50                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-14 16:07                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-10-16 19:22 ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]   ` <4AD8C7E4.9000903-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-16 19:44     ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]       ` <20091016194451.GA28706-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 20:34         ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]           ` <4ADCCD68.9030003-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 21:47             ` Oren Laadan
2009-10-20  0:51               ` Matt Helsley [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20091020005125.GG27627-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20  3:33                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <m1vdiad9jd.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20  4:03                       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                         ` <20091020040315.GA26632-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20 10:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <m1iqeauyvl.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20 14:16                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-10-20 18:33                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                 ` <20091020183329.GB22646-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20 19:26                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <m1r5sxsw7w.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20 20:13                                       ` Oren Laadan
2009-10-21  6:20                                       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                         ` <20091021062021.GA2667-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21  9:16                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                             ` <m1eioxrtsb.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 18:52                                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                                 ` <20091021185242.GB12955-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 21:11                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-10-23  0:42                                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                                 ` <20091023004253.GA7915-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23  1:03                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-10-23  5:30                                                     ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                                       ` <20091023053001.GA24972-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23  5:44                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                           ` <m1ws2mpsuk.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23 19:21                                                             ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                                               ` <20091023192124.GA11088-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23 20:48                                                                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20091023204812.GA26524-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23 23:26                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <m1y6n1lmk7.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-24  3:38                                                                         ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-23 19:16                                                         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                                           ` <4AE20124.4010108-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23 19:34                                                             ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                                               ` <4AE20532.6060809-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-23 23:12                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-10-20 14:09                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <4ADCDE7F.4090501-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 15:53                 ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                   ` <4ADF2E75.1020801-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 18:45                     ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                       ` <4ADF56D4.8030405-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 11:22                         ` Daniel Lezcano

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