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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ashwin Ganti <ashwin.ganti@gmail.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	rsc@swtch.com, ericvh@gmail.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Ron Minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
	jt.beard@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
	oleg@us.ibm.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	sgrubb@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] p9auth: add p9auth driver
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:30:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100421143016.GA31880@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1271858141.2899.7.camel@dhcp235-240.rdu.redhat.com>

Quoting Eric Paris (eparis@redhat.com):
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 10:27 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > This is a change which must be discussed.  The use of this
> > > privilege can be completely prevented by having init remove
> > > CAP_GRANT_ID from its capability bounding set before forking any
> > > processes.
> > 
> > Which is a minor back compat issue - but you could start without it and
> > allow init to add it.
> > 
> > It seems a very complex interface to do a simple thing. A long time ago
> > there was discussion around extending the AF_UNIX fd passing to permit
> > 'pass handle and auth' so you could send someone a handle with a "become
> > me" token attached.
> 
> If you do go down this path there is a separate (and actually completely
> opposite) but related problem I might be able and willing to work with
> you on.  When looking at how auditing works in this modern day and age
> of dbus+polkit to get background processes to do work on behalf of a

This actually brings up an issue I've been a bit worried about: is
credentials passing for dbus adequate?  I thought that the last time
I looked through some code, there was no way in particular for upstart
to pass posix capabilities info along.  What that means is that as root
I can do

capsh --drop=(list of all capabilities) --
   reboot

and, although I don't have cap_sys_boot, I can reboot the system.  So
the only way I can prevent a container from rebooting the host is to
start it in a fresh network namespace to segrate the abstract unix
domain sockets.  But if I don't want a fresh network namespace, I'm out
of luck.

> user we were discussing an interface that would pass the information
> about the user to the background server process.  The background server
> process could do some magic such that it still had all the permissions
> and rights of itself, but had the audit information of the original
> user.  Thus even though it was a server process with uid=0 that did the
> work, the audit logs could know it was actually on behalf of uid=500.  
> 
> It was discussed passing that token of audit information over an AF_UNIX
> socket.
> 
> -Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-21 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100421012749.GA21338@us.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <20100421012749.GA21338-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21  1:29   ` [PATCH 3/3] p9auth: add p9auth driver Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20100421012908.GB24251-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21  3:04       ` Greg KH
     [not found]         ` <20100421030406.GB10258-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21  3:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21  4:18             ` Ashwin Ganti
2010-04-21 13:47               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20100421134759.GE16326-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 14:44                   ` Ashwin Ganti
2010-04-21  4:45             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <m1zl0xo1m9.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 13:21                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-24  3:36                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-24 16:25                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                     ` <n2s13426df11004240925id540ed94mc2ebafada0099ec4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-24 18:01                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-04-25  3:24                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21  9:27       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]         ` <20100421102739.6ad932fb-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 13:39           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 14:19             ` Alan Cox
     [not found]               ` <20100421151917.5ae20265-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 15:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 19:15                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-04-21 20:23                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-22  4:57                     ` Kyle Moffett
     [not found]                       ` <w2wf73f7ab81004212157o371c5738o10c8b6ff807ba36a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-22 14:36                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 13:55           ` Eric Paris
2010-04-21 14:30             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2010-04-21 10:49       ` David Howells
2010-04-21 13:40         ` Serge E. Hallyn

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