From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Ashwin Ganti <ashwin.ganti@gmail.com>,
rsc@swtch.com, ericvh@gmail.com,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, jt.beard@gmail.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
oleg@us.ibm.com, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] p9auth: add p9auth driver
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:24:47 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100425032447.GA25044@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m11ve4wwzk.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
> ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> An fs actually seems overkill for two write-only files for
> >> process-related information. ??Would these actually be candidates
> >> for new /proc files?
> >>
> >> ?? ?? ?? ??/proc/grantcred - replaces /dev/caphash, for privileged
> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??tasks to tell the kernel about new setuid
> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??capabilities
> >> ?? ?? ?? ??/proc/self/usecred - replaces /dev/capuse for unprivileged
> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??tasks to make use of a setuid capability
> >
> > An fs is fine.
> >
> > To relate this to Plan 9, where it all began, might be useful. There's
> > no equivalent in Plan 9 to Linux/Unix devices of the major/minor
> > number etc. variety. In-kernel drivers and out-of-kernel servers both
> > end up providing the services (i.e. file name spaces) that we see in a
> > Linux file system. So the Plan 9 driver for the capability device
> > really does match closely in function and interface to a Linux
> > kernel-based file system.
> >
> > Hence, making devcap a file system is entirely appropriate, because it
> > best fits the way it works in Plan 9: a kernel driver that provides
> > two files.
> >
> > It's pretty easy to write a Linux VFS anyway, so it makes sense from
> > that point of view.
> >
> > Eric, that was a great suggestion.
>
> A fs provides user space policy control of naming. I.e. where the two files go.
> That can also be a very big deal. Especially when files are writable.
>
> You have no idea how much I am frustrated by sysfs right now, because
> it does not provide userspace policy control and instead mandates a
> sometimes inappropriate naming convention.
>
> Eric
Well I'm not convinced that it's a worthwhile tradeoff for polluting
/proc/filesystems and needing yet another fs mounted in each container,
but a preliminary working version using an fs is at
http://git.kernel.org/gitweb.cgi?p=linux/kernel/git/sergeh/linux-cr.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/p9auth.apr24.2
I'll do some cleanup before sending it out.
Eric, I'd said that the device-based version was namespace-aware, but
that meant that you could on grant and use capabilities in your own
user namespace. I suppose now that it's an fs we can do better
semantics, where each user ns can mount its own p9auth, and anyone
with CAP_GRANT_ID targeted at some user ns (i.e. root in a user_ns
or the creator of a user_ns) can grant ids to that user ns. Though
I'm not sure that's a feature anyone would ever use, and I do like
the simplicity of just having one sb.
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-25 3:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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[not found] ` <20100421012749.GA21338-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 1:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] p9auth: add p9auth driver Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100421012908.GB24251-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 3:04 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20100421030406.GB10258-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 3:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 4:18 ` Ashwin Ganti
2010-04-21 13:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100421134759.GE16326-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 14:44 ` Ashwin Ganti
2010-04-21 4:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1zl0xo1m9.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 13:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-24 3:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-24 16:25 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <n2s13426df11004240925id540ed94mc2ebafada0099ec4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-24 18:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-04-25 3:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2010-04-21 9:27 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20100421102739.6ad932fb-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 13:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 14:19 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20100421151917.5ae20265-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-21 15:09 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 19:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-04-21 20:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-22 4:57 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <w2wf73f7ab81004212157o371c5738o10c8b6ff807ba36a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-22 14:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 13:55 ` Eric Paris
2010-04-21 14:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-04-21 10:49 ` David Howells
2010-04-21 13:40 ` Serge E. Hallyn
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