From: Matthew Garrett <mjg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH, v10 3/3] cgroups: introduce timer slack controller
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:46:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111017124647.GA12838@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1110171119580.3240@ionos>
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:38:03AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Unfortunately this is a full speed rolling trainwreck already. The
> whole app space is made to encourage shitty applications. Android is
> designed exactly in that way and it seems that all other desktop folks
> have fully adopted that adsurdity.
>
> Back when NOHZ was merged in the kernel, powertop made people fix crap
> left and right in not time. Why should we add something which actively
> fosters crappy applications today?
They're orthogonal. Sometimes you want timer-driven behaviour (how else
are you going to draw animations?) and that's obviously going to
generate wakeups. This is for the idle case, where the user is no longer
sitting in front of the machine but you don't want to trigger a full
system suspend. We either need every application that ever uses
timer-driven behaviour to support setting its own timer slack on some
sort of external policy decision, or we need a way to let the kernel
force them to.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-17 12:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-11 16:15 [PATCH, v10 0/3] Introduce timer slack controller Kirill A. Shutemov
2011-10-11 16:15 ` [PATCH, v10 1/3] hrtimer: introduce effective timer slack Kirill A. Shutemov
2011-10-11 16:15 ` [PATCH, v10 2/3] hrtimer: implement PR_GET_EFFECTIVE_TIMERSLACK Kirill A. Shutemov
2011-10-11 16:15 ` [PATCH, v10 3/3] cgroups: introduce timer slack controller Kirill A. Shutemov
[not found] ` <1318349729-3108-4-git-send-email-kirill-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-11 16:49 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2011-10-14 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20111014154348.ae6267aa.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-14 23:34 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2011-10-15 11:20 ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-15 19:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 1:39 ` Lennart Poettering
[not found] ` <20111017013921.GA30035-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 3:22 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20111017032232.GA4816-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 5:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <4E9BBB6D.4050004-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 7:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 9:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-17 12:46 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
[not found] ` <20111017124647.GA12838-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 13:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 14:11 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20111017141147.GA14581-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 14:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <4E9C3D39.9020109-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 14:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 14:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-10-17 14:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 14:59 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-10-17 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 15:19 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20111017151920.GA16664-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 15:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 15:31 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20111017153142.GA17047-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 16:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 16:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-10-17 15:48 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20111017164839.3887ee3e-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-17 16:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 15:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 13:55 ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-17 7:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-17 19:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
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