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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Erik Bosman <ebn310@few.vu.nl>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk-manpages <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86,seccomp,prctl: Remove PR_TSC_SIGSEGV and seccomp TSC filtering
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:13:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141004081324.GR10583@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVtK6w4smnRCTED=csAyt3WNNOaZE_WRzvECuSx260X3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:15:24PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:04:53PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > Something like so.. slightly less ugly and possibly with more
> >> > complicated conditions setting the cr4 if you want to fix tsc vs seccomp
> >> > as well.
> >>
> >> This will crash anything that tries rdpmc in an allow-everything
> >> seccomp sandbox.  It's also not very compatible with my grand scheme
> >> of allowing rdtsc to be turned off without breaking clock_gettime. :)
> >
> > Well, we clear cap_user_rdpmc, so everybody who still tries it gets what
> > he deserves, no problem there.
> 
> Oh, interesting.
> 
> To continue playing devil's advocate, what if you do perf_event_open,
> then mmap it, then start the seccomp sandbox?

We update that cap bit on every update to the self-monitor state, and in
a perfect world people would also check the cap bit every time they try
and read it, and fall back to the syscall. So we could just clear it..
but I can imagine reality ruining things here.

> My draft patches are currently tracking the number of perf_event mmaps
> per mm.  I'm not thrilled with it, but it's straightforward.  And I
> still need to benchmark cr4 writes, which is tedious, because I can't
> do it from user code.

Should be fairly straight fwd from kernel space, get a tsc stamp,
read+write cr4 1000 times, get another tsc read, and maybe do that
several times. No?

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-04  8:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fc0c2447cbc39257941c6b118388c024b719353a.1412356529.git.luto@amacapital.net>
     [not found] ` <fc0c2447cbc39257941c6b118388c024b719353a.1412356529.git.luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 17:27   ` [PATCH] x86,seccomp,prctl: Remove PR_TSC_SIGSEGV and seccomp TSC filtering Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <CALCETrUfCrvidOS6VvUpWFAcHUrPUs58zSQqGRC5UOTS=E37rw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 20:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20141003201409.GM10583-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 20:22           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-03 20:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]               ` <CALCETrWfrWpdMCAYySMAMGCHU3XRkNGmeMTECTE=PXQUfjGPZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 20:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                   ` <20141003204443.GP10583-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 20:46                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-03 21:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                       ` <20141003210213.GG6324-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 21:04                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-03 21:04                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                           ` <CALCETrW7OCuAiK31iRvXgXJfcf3FE4GKjpKQ0doWFyUpETzT9A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 21:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                               ` <20141003211204.GQ10583-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 21:15                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-04  8:13                                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-10-06 16:44                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrVvFP66s5XOmSKaC8Vq73=uh11819HOOLkVTu7jJZotew-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 20:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-03 20:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] ` <20141003174141.GR2342@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <20141003174141.GR2342-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 17:59     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-03 20:15       ` Peter Zijlstra

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