From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:12:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141029231231.GA19344@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141029231106.GB16548-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 04:11:06PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:00:16AM +0100, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >
> > > kdbus is a kernel-level IPC implementation that aims for resemblance to
> > > the the protocol layer with the existing userspace D-Bus daemon while
> > > enabling some features that couldn't be implemented before in userspace.
> >
> > I'd be interested in the features that can't be implemented in userspace
> > (and therefore would justify existence of kdbus in the kernel). Could you
> > please point me to such list / documentation?
>
> Lennart has given whole talks about this in the past, here's a recent
> talk going into the details:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPbQzm_iz_k
>
> > It seems to me that most of the highlight features from the cover letter
> > can be "easily" (for certain definition of that word, of course)
> > implemented in userspace (vmsplice(), sending fd through unix socket, user
> > namespaces, UUID management, etc).
>
> We have dbus in userspace today, but that requires extra copies of data,
> and isn't easy, or even possible, to do some of the application-specific
> bus logic that kdbus provides. See the talk above for details, there
> are slides around somewhere with just text that we can add to the cover
> letter if that will help out in future spins of this patch series.
Here's an article describing it as well:
https://lwn.net/Articles/580194/
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2014-10-29 22:00 [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-30 12:20 ` Peter Meerwald
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1410301231040.32212-jW+XmwGofnusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-02 1:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add driver skeleton, ioctl entry points and utility functions Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1414620056-6675-4-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 3:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 23:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-31 0:23 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410310114290.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 0:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add connection, queue handling and message validation code Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <87k33iw759.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
[not found] ` <87k33iw759.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 3:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 9:06 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code to gather metadata Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1414620056-6675-7-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWqbpxk83L0k0_78JZCO+ntZhx_hHMcRu=vxs6VE2f5JQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 0:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVkuKxMMEw3HBEOZoFUuw8PndXtB13+bLWmcp_E34SaFw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 8:45 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <5451FA9B.8070501-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 14:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWjOS0AHF33zN0Vy1NC1441To7AgNPge3sKCz8bn2d8gg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 15:54 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54525F32.3040502-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 21:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrV6MLYUQN6mqZbH=FrLyrETVoemtdC05po8+X=6SKQ70A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 11:05 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <5454BE6E.5040507-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 16:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXxx4juUGA3mwOxq0BtErM0kj7_THxiO5LwCVLzCXnd2A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 12:00 ` Simon McVittie
[not found] ` <54576E48.40800-ZGY8ohtN/8pPYcu2f3hruQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 17:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 8:09 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code for notifications and matches Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1414620056-6675-9-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 3:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 9:58 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 12:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87wq7hiwjb.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 14:48 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 14:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 18:08 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 18:46 ` Simon McVittie
[not found] ` <54528798.40107-ZGY8ohtN/8pPYcu2f3hruQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 19:59 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 20:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 21:47 ` Alex Elsayed
2014-10-30 22:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 23:38 ` How Not To Use kref (was Re: kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints) Al Viro
[not found] ` <20141030233801.GF7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFxB=jWGvPH3TMhB=ungOg9TBai5Ak-ma5vChBB-H2AgnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 19:56 ` Al Viro
2014-11-04 9:11 ` David Herrmann
2014-10-31 1:39 ` kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Al Viro
[not found] ` <20141031013922.GG7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 9:55 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add name registry implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add policy database implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entry Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add selftests Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1414620056-6675-13-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 8:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-14 3:42 ` Michael Ellerman
2014-11-14 8:56 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <1414620056-6675-1-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add header file Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2014-10-30 8:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 11:02 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-10-30 11:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 11:52 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30 12:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-31 10:03 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add connection pool implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:15 ` [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg KH
[not found] ` <20141029221505.GA7812-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 4:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87egtqurrp.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 7:12 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:25 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-10-30 7:44 ` Daniel Mack
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2014-11-05 14:34 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 23:00 ` Jiri Kosina
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2014-10-29 23:11 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2014-10-29 23:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2014-10-29 23:24 ` Jiri Kosina
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2014-10-29 23:26 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410300024530.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 23:34 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 11:52 ` Tom Gundersen
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2014-10-30 12:28 ` Simon McVittie
2014-10-30 13:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 20:28 ` Alex Elsayed
2014-10-30 9:51 ` Karol Lewandowski
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2014-10-30 10:44 ` Karol Lewandowski
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2014-10-30 14:47 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20141030144709.GA19721-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 19:55 ` Karol Lewandowski
[not found] ` <545297CC.6020306-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 20:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-31 11:15 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 23:13 ` One Thousand Gnomes
[not found] ` <20141030231310.0b65b762-mUKnrFFms3BCCTY1wZZT65JpZx93mCW/@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 10:58 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 23:39 ` Paul Moore
2014-10-31 14:21 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] kdbus: add support for lsm Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [PATCH 1/5] kdbus: extend structures with security pointer " Karol Lewandowski
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2014-11-17 1:47 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-17 18:37 ` Greg KH
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [PATCH 2/5] security: export security_file_receive for modules Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] kdbus: check if lsm permits installing received fds Karol Lewandowski
[not found] ` <1414773397-26490-1-git-send-email-k.lewandowsk-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [PATCH 4/5] security: introduce lsm hooks for kdbus Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36 ` [PATCH 5/5] kdbus: make use of new lsm hooks Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 17:19 ` [PATCH 3/5] kdbus: check if lsm permits installing received fds Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-07 18:01 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] kdbus: add support for lsm Greg KH
[not found] ` <20141107180120.GA15387-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-09 0:07 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-02 1:21 ` [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20141102012130.GA9335-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 14:38 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 8:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 16:17 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWrxc8foPYbRPtxwNX0sHK_=vLFLDXXyXu+2U2=B+=qCQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <20141029222729.GB8129-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 2:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVxvF2ie=vVgpjeqikn+nci_9jyKfU4s3t=4cjyNZNaNQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 4:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87bnourxx4.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 10:15 ` Tom Gundersen
[not found] ` <CAG-2HqUChohNrRSdXzckSiv8ZUYwFLMvRTc41Uo7-b-qmkSFMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 12:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
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