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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-aio@kvack.org" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/7] vfs: Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:42:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141202144200.a4ca81a46a43563a8874fd8e@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANP1eJEALZTwMv0Z1udmPWKhfGmpe+idtdRASp62Jm_V0N2HcQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:17:42 -0500 Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com> wrote:

> > There have been several incomplete attempts to implement fincore().  If
> > we were to complete those attempts, preadv2() could be implemented
> > using fincore()+pread().  Plus we get fincore(), which is useful for
> > other (but probably similar) reasons.  Probably fincore()+pwrite() could
> > be used to implement pwritev2(), but I don't know what pwritev2() does
> > yet.
> >
> > Implementing fincore() is more flexible, requires less code and is less
> > likely to have bugs.  So why not go that way?  Yes, it's more CPU
> > intensive, but how much?  Is the difference sufficient to justify the
> > preadv2()/pwritev2() approach?
> 
> I would like to see a fincore() functionality (for other reasons) I
> don't think it does the job here. fincore() + preadv() is inherently
> racy as there's no guarantee that the data becomes uncached between
> the two calls.

There will always be holes.  For example find_get_page() could block on
lock_page() while some other process is doing IO. 
page_cache_async_readahead() does lots of memory allocation which can
get blocked for long periods in the page allocator. 
page_cache_async_readahead() can block on synchronous metadata reads,
etc.

The question is whether a simpler approach such as fincore() will be
sufficient.

> This may not matter in some cases, but in others (ones
> that I'm trying to solve) it will introduce unexpected latency.

Details?

> There's no overlap between prwritev2 and fincore() functionality.

Do we actually need pwritev2()?  What's the justification for that?


Please let's examine the alternative(s) seriously.  It would be mistake
to add preadv2/pwritev2 if fincore+pread would have sufficed.  

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-02 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-10 16:40 [PATCH v6 0/7] vfs: Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] vfs: Prepare for adding a new preadv/pwritev with user flags Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] vfs: Define new syscalls preadv2,pwritev2 Milosz Tanski
2014-11-11 21:09   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-12 13:18   ` mohanty bhagaban
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] x86: wire up preadv2 and pwritev2 Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] vfs: RWF_NONBLOCK flag for preadv2 Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] xfs: add RWF_NONBLOCK support Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] fs: pass iocb to generic_write_sync Milosz Tanski
2014-11-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] fs: add a flag for per-operation O_DSYNC semantics Milosz Tanski
2014-11-11  6:44 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] vfs: Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Dave Chinner
2014-11-11 16:02   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-11-11 17:03     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-11 21:42       ` Dave Chinner
2014-11-11 23:21         ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-11 22:49       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-11-11 23:27         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-11 21:40     ` Dave Chinner
2014-11-14 16:32   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-14 16:39     ` Dave Jones
2014-11-14 16:51       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-14 18:46         ` Milosz Tanski
     [not found]       ` <20141114163912.GA23769-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-14 18:45         ` Milosz Tanski
2014-11-14 18:52           ` Jeff Moyer
     [not found] ` <cover.1415636409.git.milosz-B5zB6C1i6pkAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24  9:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-11-25 23:01 ` Andrew Morton
2014-12-02 22:17   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-12-02 22:42     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2014-12-03  9:10       ` Volker Lendecke
2014-12-03 16:48       ` Milosz Tanski
     [not found]         ` <CANP1eJGVyBOt1rQ8jA4tMrNGX5X61-UWbVy6kKj_ByeTqAEOBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 23:11           ` Andrew Morton
2014-12-05  8:17             ` Volker Lendecke
2015-01-21 14:55               ` Milosz Tanski

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