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From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:37:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150109233725.GA4574@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUpr5kqNm5M5z=RxM9T7DOQB3-Le2gxGM=D7+cpWVRQaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 03:24:12PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 10:57:43PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here's a very simple way it could work -- it could put the O_PATH fd
> >> > on a previously-unused fd number, and put a special flag on the fd,
> >> > like FD_CLOEXEC, but that causes the kernel to close it whenever it's
> >> > opened. The pathname passed could then simply be /dev/fd/%d or
> >> > /proc/self/fd/%d, and although this is presently dependent on /proc
> >> > being mounted, virtual /dev/fd/* could someday be something completely
> >> > independent of procfs. The kernel keeps all the freedom to choose how
> >> > to pass the name to the interpreter. I'm not proposing any kernel
> >> > API/ABI lock-in and I'm with you in opposing such lock-in.
> >>
> >> Huh?  open() on procfs symlinks does *NOT* work the way - the symlink is
> >> traversed and after that point there is no information whatsoever how we
> >> got to that vfsmount/dentry pair.  I can imagine several kludges that would
> >> work, but they are unspeakably ugly, and do_last() is already far too
> >> convoluted as it is.
> >
> > I'm not sure where you're disagreeing with me. open of procfs symlinks
> > does not resolve the symlink and open the resulting pathname. They are
> > "magic symlinks" which are bound to the inode of the open file. I
> > don't see why this action, which is already special for magic
> > symlinks, can't check a flag on the magic symlink and possibly close
> > the corresponding file descriptor as part of its action.
> >
> > In any case, whether/how fexecve works with interpreters is something
> > the kernel can change without breaking userspace expectations. My goal
> > is to avoid creating any new API/ABI requirement here.
> 
> I think that, if we really want to support clean fexecve on O_CLOEXEC
> scripts some day, the right way to do it is to fix the script
> interface for real.  Have a special flag in the headers of script
> interpreters that support a new interface that says "when I'm a script
> interpreter, I expect an auxv entry AT_SCRIPT_FD with an  open fd with
> CLOEXEC set".  Then we can directly exec scripts by fd, even with
> O_CLOEXEC set, without any races.

This is also acceptable, but I don't think you'd really need a special
header flag. Just pass it, and also pass /dev/fd/%d or
/proc/self/fd/%d in argv[]. If the interpreter supports it, everything
works fine. If not, it still works as long as /proc is mounted, but
with a partial fd leak. (Note: the leak is not so bad since the
interpreter would inherit a close-on-exec fd and thus would not leak
it further.)

Aside from setting up the new auxv entry, the main trick the kernel
would have to do is bypassing FD_CLOEXEC at exec time while keeping
the FD_CLOEXEC flag present on the fd after exec.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-09 23:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-24 11:53 [PATCHv10 0/5] syscalls,x86,sparc: Add execveat() system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 1/5] syscalls: implement " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 2/5] x86: Hook up execveat " David Drysdale
     [not found]   ` <1416830039-21952-3-git-send-email-drysdale-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 12:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 17:06   ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:26     ` David Drysdale
     [not found]       ` <CAHse=S-DS=NGC619Uhzkbd-EKa0D+HgBq3rE1czmLdoxAFswPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-25 12:16         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 3/5] syscalls: add selftest for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 4/5] sparc: Hook up execveat system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 18:36   ` David Miller
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2015-01-09 15:47   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 16:13     ` Rich Felker
     [not found]       ` <20150109161302.GQ4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 17:46         ` David Drysdale
     [not found]           ` <CAHse=S88Jy5ZKM_VY5onfvxX7dTMngnxuHfuLeSuzvKvQNP19A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 20:48             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 20:56               ` Al Viro
     [not found]                 ` <20150109205626.GK22149-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 20:59                   ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                     ` <20150109205926.GT4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 21:09                       ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 21:28                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:50                           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:17                             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:33                               ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:42                                 ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                                   ` <20150109224252.GY4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 22:57                                     ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:12                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 23:24                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 23:37                                           ` Rich Felker [this message]
2015-01-10  0:01                                           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:36                                         ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                           ` <20150109233644.GR22149-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  3:03                                             ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  3:41                                               ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  4:14                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  5:57                                                   ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 22:27                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-11  1:15                                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-11  2:09                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                           ` <87oaq6oypl.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-11 11:02                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-01-12 14:18                             ` David Drysdale
     [not found]                           ` <20150109212852.GU4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 22:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 22:38                               ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                                 ` <20150109223843.GX4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  1:17                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <87mw5rtowa.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  1:33                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-12 11:33                                         ` David Drysdale
2015-01-12 16:07                                           ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:13                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 21:20                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <877fwvy7ln.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 21:31                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:43             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10  8:27           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10 13:31             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:38       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 18:02     ` David Drysdale
     [not found]       ` <CAHse=S9kRj00eRbB+7DQd39Cso1O2LcmZpBVCbuUa9EwRQKv_w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  7:56         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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