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From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:07:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150112160721.GJ4574@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHse=S822QjRE_FF6JHi-5cUsrXHJnyjRwYJuyYn2O6tsz2dHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:33:49AM +0000, David Drysdale wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 07:17:41PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> writes:
> >>
> >> > I'm not proposing code because I'm a libc developer not a kernel
> >> > developer. I know what's needed for userspace to provide a conforming
> >> > fexecve to applications, not how to implement that on the kernel side,
> >> > although I'm trying to provide constructive ideas. The hostility is
> >> > really not necessary.
> >>
> >> Conforming to what?
> >>
> >> The open group fexecve says nothing about requiring a file descriptor
> >> passed to fexecve to have O_CLOEXEC.
> >
> > It doesn't require it but it allows it, and in multithreaded programs
> > that might run child processes (or library code that might be used in
> > such situations), O_CLOEXEC is mandatory everywhere to avoid fd leaks.
> 
> As a naive idea related to Andy's suggestion elsewhere, could you
> just have an environment convention for fexecve-ing scripts?  That
> would reduce FD leaks without any need for kernel involvement/changes.
> 
> For example, set _FEXECVED_VIA_FD=4 but don't set
> O_CLOEXEC before fexecve, and the interpreter reads then
> closes that FD.  Or just get the interpreter to spot scripts named
> "/dev/fd/%d" and read-then-close the FD that way, cf. Eric's suggestion
> at https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/22/652.

No. Any omission of O_CLOEXEC even momentarily is a potentially
dangerous fd leak. This is the case whenever the process is
multithreaded and it's possible that other threads might fork and
exec. Think of the case of a privileged daemon re-execing itself (e.g.
to switch to an updated version) while there are potentially other
threads spawning non-privileged processes.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-12 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-24 11:53 [PATCHv10 0/5] syscalls,x86,sparc: Add execveat() system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 1/5] syscalls: implement " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 2/5] x86: Hook up execveat " David Drysdale
     [not found]   ` <1416830039-21952-3-git-send-email-drysdale-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 12:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 17:06   ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:26     ` David Drysdale
     [not found]       ` <CAHse=S-DS=NGC619Uhzkbd-EKa0D+HgBq3rE1czmLdoxAFswPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-25 12:16         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 3/5] syscalls: add selftest for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 4/5] sparc: Hook up execveat system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 18:36   ` David Miller
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2015-01-09 15:47   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 16:13     ` Rich Felker
     [not found]       ` <20150109161302.GQ4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 17:46         ` David Drysdale
     [not found]           ` <CAHse=S88Jy5ZKM_VY5onfvxX7dTMngnxuHfuLeSuzvKvQNP19A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 20:48             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 20:56               ` Al Viro
     [not found]                 ` <20150109205626.GK22149-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 20:59                   ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                     ` <20150109205926.GT4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 21:09                       ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 21:28                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:50                           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:17                             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:33                               ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:42                                 ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                                   ` <20150109224252.GY4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 22:57                                     ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:12                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 23:24                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 23:37                                           ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  0:01                                           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:36                                         ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                           ` <20150109233644.GR22149-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  3:03                                             ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  3:41                                               ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  4:14                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  5:57                                                   ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 22:27                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-11  1:15                                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-11  2:09                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                           ` <87oaq6oypl.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-11 11:02                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-01-12 14:18                             ` David Drysdale
     [not found]                           ` <20150109212852.GU4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 22:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 22:38                               ` Rich Felker
     [not found]                                 ` <20150109223843.GX4574-C3MtFaGISjmo6RMmaWD+6Sb1p8zYI1N1@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  1:17                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <87mw5rtowa.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  1:33                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-12 11:33                                         ` David Drysdale
2015-01-12 16:07                                           ` Rich Felker [this message]
2015-01-10  7:13                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 21:20                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <877fwvy7ln.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 21:31                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:43             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10  8:27           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10 13:31             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:38       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 18:02     ` David Drysdale
     [not found]       ` <CAHse=S9kRj00eRbB+7DQd39Cso1O2LcmZpBVCbuUa9EwRQKv_w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-10  7:56         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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