From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
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Cc: Daniel Mack <daniel-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Johannes Stezenbach <js-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] kdbus: add documentation
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:19:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150121151913.GA4798@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54BF805B.4000609-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:32:59AM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> It's rather an optional driver than a core kernel feature.
>
> Given the various things that I've seen said about kdbus, the
> preceding sentence makes little sense to me:
>
> * kdbus will be the framework supporting user-space D-Bus in the
> future, and also used by systemd, and so on pretty much every
> desktop system.
I have to agree with Michael here; it's really, **really**
disengenuous to say that that if you don't want kdbus, you can just
#ifconfig it out. The fact that it systemd will be using it means
that it will very shortly become a core kernel feature which is
absolutely mandatory. Sure, maybe it can be configured out for "tiny
kernels", just as in theory we can configure out the VM system for
really tiny embedded systems. But we should be treating this as
something that is not optional, because the reality is that's the way
it's going to be in very short order. So if that means to use proper
system calls instead of ioctls, we should do that.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-21 15:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-16 19:16 [PATCH v3 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 01/13] kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1421435777-25306-2-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 13:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-01-20 14:31 ` David Herrmann
[not found] ` <CANq1E4SjfZOKqTsdkt519vKc1Poeah5McVJBb_spdHjbKv4=7g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 14:42 ` Josh Boyer
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2015-01-20 14:53 ` Djalal Harouni
2015-01-20 16:08 ` Johannes Stezenbach
[not found] ` <20150120160842.GA9474-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 17:00 ` David Herrmann
[not found] ` <CANq1E4Q9m7JRXNYFY4okh3brM-kHVoVGOdF_SWjNoNURX930HQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 22:00 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-21 10:28 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 18:23 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54BE9D08.7010804-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 10:32 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-01-21 15:19 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2015-01-21 16:58 ` Daniel Mack
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2015-01-22 10:18 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <54C0CE8A.5080805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-22 13:46 ` David Herrmann
2015-01-22 14:49 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-01-23 16:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2015-01-26 14:46 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <54C65346.5070504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27 15:05 ` David Herrmann
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2015-01-27 16:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrU1O6LjhrXSH2aXWFt2WGh=ssrq4K9HD10f_Z55iT=Otw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-29 8:53 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-29 11:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-29 11:42 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-29 12:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXD41=ohFSkCmBD8zPHFVUtr49QXMhYnChAxqQtmUjJYw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-02 9:34 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54CF44B9.8000005-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-02 20:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrUh1Mse4CBQ4bfkJf+ew=kdpn46hMLS2QafLhfRTzQoBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03 10:09 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54D09E6B.2020903-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 0:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrV_q9Y4OWC6fA78WsD+XFhsdGHrqH6OK-hc=Vvj2F5C5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 2:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2015-02-04 3:14 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150204031437.GB32207-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 6:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-04 23:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05 0:16 ` David Herrmann
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2015-02-08 16:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-27 18:03 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <CANq1E4S=3qNw599L85uj-8aXwxeV+mcurB_Nu_rHH8opAeePjw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 11:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-23 15:54 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150123155402.GB2159-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 14:42 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-26 15:26 ` Tom Gundersen
[not found] ` <CAG-2HqUCZjc4Ucc-L21uG6e-di4UcLJAT5mW_-5-c-uqmoJyzA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 16:44 ` christoph Hellwig
2015-01-26 16:45 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-27 15:23 ` David Herrmann
2015-01-27 17:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <54C7D0A3.4000900-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27 18:14 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-28 10:46 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 13:58 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 17:50 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54BE957A.60305-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 8:57 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21 9:07 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54BE5F1F.8070703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 9:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <54BF6C67.7090909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 9:12 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-23 6:28 ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-23 13:19 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150123131946.GA26302-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 13:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-25 3:30 ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 02/13] kdbus: add header file Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 04/13] kdbus: add connection pool implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 06/13] kdbus: add node and filesystem implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 07/13] kdbus: add code to gather metadata Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 08/13] kdbus: add code for notifications and matches Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 10/13] kdbus: add name registry implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 13/13] kdbus: add selftests Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <1421435777-25306-1-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 03/13] kdbus: add driver skeleton, ioctl entry points and utility functions Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 05/13] kdbus: add connection, queue handling and message validation code Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 09/13] kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 11/13] kdbus: add policy database implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 12/13] kdbus: add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entry Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 22:07 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Josh Boyer
2015-01-16 22:18 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150116221824.GA512-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-17 0:26 ` Daniel Mack
[not found] ` <54B9AC3E.9070105-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-17 0:41 ` Josh Boyer
2015-01-19 18:06 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 18:38 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150119183806.GA8479-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 20:19 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 20:31 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2015-01-19 23:38 ` Johannes Stezenbach
[not found] ` <20150119233812.GA1874-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 1:13 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-20 10:57 ` Johannes Stezenbach
[not found] ` <20150120105712.GA6260-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 11:26 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20150120112609.GA17198-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 13:24 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 14:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <20150120011359.GE865-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 21:32 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-19 18:33 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 14:05 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 14:15 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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