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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Serge Hallyn
	<serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Serge Hallyn
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Aaron Jones
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	"Andrew G. Morgan"
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	Jarkko Sakkinen
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	Michael Kerrisk
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	Jonathan Corbet <corbet-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:47:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150224154715.GA20682@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150224051928.GA14755-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:19:29PM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:15:53PM +0000, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Christoph Lameter (cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org):
> > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2015, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > I do not see a problem with dropping privilege since the ambient set
> > > > > is supposed to be preserved across a drop of priviledge.
> > > >
> > > > Because you're tricking the program into thinking it has dropped
> > > > the privilege, when in fact it has not.
> > > 
> > > So the cap was dropped from the cap perm set but it is still active
> > > in the ambient set?
> > 
> > Right, and the legacy program doesn't know to check the new set.
> 
> we've been assuming the ambient set must be like fP.  is there any
> reason why it doesn't suffice for them to be or'ed with fI instead at
> exec?  then the bits would need to ne in pI. this might sufice for
> Christoph's use case, as pI will generally not change.  and for programs
> that really care, they can check pI.

The other way to look at it then is that it's basically as though the
privileged task (which has CAP_SETFCAP) could've just added fI=full to
all binaries on the filesystem;  instead it's using the ambient set
so that the risk from fI=full is contained to its own process tree.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-24 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-05 21:56 [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1 Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502051554500.4876-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 14:58   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrWJCcBBGGp21C4cdtiU79K-P3t+6rFJUWcXcLR1jqrrFQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 15:53         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-23 16:41             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 23:51               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-24 15:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:16     ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrW78805ayUL=ZYBdFwVdDvJZus2JL0VVmEBE8=L1Nm5Sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 16:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:46         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:50           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 18:15             ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 18:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24  5:19               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20150224051928.GA14755-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 15:47                   ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2015-02-24 15:58                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 16:44                       ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-24 17:28                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25  3:32                           ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-25 20:25                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 15:35                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20150226153524.GC15182-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 18:28                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 19:32                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 19:38                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                         ` <CALCETrWpKiurZEEOT25i_xrtQyk5dht+wjUO4+tGs+N_7JCdYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:33                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                       ` <20150226193200.GA17709-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:13                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:34                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 20:51                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:55                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                 ` <20150226205512.GA19273-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:58                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 21:19                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:29                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:09                                             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502261507450.8274-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 21:13                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:23                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:32                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:37                                                       ` Christoph Lameter

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