From: "Ondřej Bílka" <neleai@seznam.cz>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] getcpu_cache system call: caching current CPU number (x86)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:35:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150718103503.GA30356@domone> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVY=kjeA_4pazy3BL+ekfcV6WHKw8e3z-LBxx_uP1bw2Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 04:33:42PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Ondřej Bílka <neleai@seznam.cz> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:48:14AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>
> >> On x86, if you want per-cpu memory areas, you should basically plan on
> >> using segment registers instead (although other odd state has been
> >> used - there's been the people who use segment limits etc rather than
> >> the *pointer* itself, preferring to use "lsl" to get percpu data. You
> >> could also imaging hiding things in the vector state somewhere if you
> >> control your environment well enough).
> >>
> > Thats correct, problem is that you need some sort of hack like this on
> > archs that otherwise would need syscall to get tid/access tls variable.
> >
> > On x64 and archs that have register for tls this could be implemented
> > relatively easily.
> >
> > Kernel needs to allocate
> >
> > int running_cpu_for_tid[32768];
> >
> > On context switch it atomically writes to this table
> >
> > running_cpu_for_tid[tid] = cpu;
> >
> > This table is read-only accessible from userspace as mmaped file.
> >
> > Then userspace just needs to access it with three indirections like:
> >
> > __thread tid;
> >
> > char caches[CPU_MAX];
> > #define getcpu_cache caches[tid > 32768 ? get_cpu() : running_cpu_for_tid[tid]]
> >
> > With more complicated kernel interface you could eliminate one
> > indirection as we would use void * array instead and thread could do
> > syscall to register what values it should use for each thread.
>
> Or we implement per-cpu segment registers so you can point gs directly
> at percpu data. This is conceptually easy and has no weird ABI
> issues. All it needs is an implementation and some good tests.
>
That only works if you have free register on your arch. As gs there was
rfc to teach gcc use it which could give bigger speedup. I didn't see
how much this could help yet so I am bit skeptical.
> I think the API should be "set gsbase to x + y*(cpu number)". On
> x86_64, userspace just allocates a big swath of virtual space and
> populates it as needed.
>
That wouldn't work well if two shared libraries want to use that. You
would need to use something like se it to 4096*cpu_number or so.
Also we didn't considered yet overhead, as this slows down everything a
bit due slower context switches. So will this needs to have widespread
performance improvement to be worthwhile. What are use cases to make
that pay itself?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-18 10:35 UTC|newest]
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2015-07-12 18:06 [RFC PATCH] getcpu_cache system call: caching current CPU number (x86) Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-12 18:47 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 3:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-13 15:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-13 3:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2015-07-13 15:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-13 15:30 ` Andrew Hunter
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2015-07-13 16:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-13 18:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-13 11:17 ` Ben Maurer
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2015-07-13 17:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-14 9:34 ` Ben Maurer
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2015-07-16 18:08 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-16 19:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17 10:21 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-17 15:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2015-07-17 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
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2015-07-17 18:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2015-07-17 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-17 23:28 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-17 23:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-18 10:35 ` Ondřej Bílka [this message]
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2015-07-20 8:35 ` Florian Weimer
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2015-07-20 15:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2015-07-20 15:32 ` Florian Weimer
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2015-07-20 17:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2015-07-20 20:07 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-07-21 7:55 ` Florian Weimer
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2015-07-20 21:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-20 22:39 ` Linus Torvalds
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2015-07-21 0:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-21 7:30 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-21 12:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-21 15:16 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-21 17:45 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-21 18:00 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-21 18:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-22 7:53 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-21 8:01 ` Florian Weimer
2015-07-20 13:18 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-07-18 7:34 ` Rich Felker
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2015-07-18 10:51 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-18 9:47 ` Florian Weimer
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2015-07-17 10:58 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-17 16:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2015-07-17 22:43 ` Ondřej Bílka
2015-07-18 2:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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