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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>
To: "Stéphane Graber" <stgraber@ubuntu.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] pidns: introduce syscall getvpid
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:41:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150915174143.GE4699@ubuntumail> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150915151729.GA144242@dakara>

Quoting Stéphane Graber (stgraber@ubuntu.com):
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 06:01:38PM +0300, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> > On 15.09.2015 17:27, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > >Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru> writes:
> > >
> > >>pid_t getvpid(pid_t pid, pid_t source, pid_t target);
> > >>
> > >>This syscall converts pid from one pid-ns into pid in another pid-ns:
> > >>it takes @pid in namespace of @source task (zero for current) and
> > >>returns related pid in namespace of @target task (zero for current too).
> > >>If pid is unreachable from target pid-ns then it returns zero.
> > >
> > >This interface as presented is inherently racy.  It would be better
> > >if source and target were file descriptors referring to the namespaces
> > >you wish to translate between.
> > 
> > Yep, it's racy. As well as any operation with non-child pids.
> > With file descriptors for source/target result will be racy anyway.
> > 
> > >
> > >>Such conversion is required for interaction between processes from
> > >>different pid-namespaces. For example when system service talks with
> > >>client from isolated container via socket about task in container:
> > >
> > >Sockets are already supported.  At least the metadata of sockets is.
> > >
> > >Maybe we need this but I am not convinced of it's utility.
> > >
> > >What are you trying to do that motivates this?
> > 
> > I'm working on hierarchical container management system which
> > allows to create and control nested sub-containers from containers
> > ( https://github.com/yandex/porto ). Main server works in host and
> > have to interact with all levels of nested namespaces. This syscall
> > makes some operations much easier: server must remember only pid in
> > host pid namespace and convert it into right vpid on demand.
> 
> Note that as Eric said earlier, sending a PID inside a ucred through a
> unix socket will have the pid translated.
> 
> So while your solution certainly should be faster, you can already achieve
> what you want today by doing:
> 
> == Translate PID in container to PID in host
>  - open a socket
>  - setns to container's pidns
>  - send ucred from that container containing the requested container PID
>  - host sees the host PID
> 
> == Translate PID on host to PID in container
>  - open a socket
>  - setns to container's pidns
>  - send ucred from the host containing the request host PID
>    (send will fail if the host PID isn't part of that container)
>  - container sees the container PID

In addition, since commit e4bc332451 : /proc/PID/status: show all sets of pid according to ns
we now also have 'NSpid' etc in /proc/$$/status.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-15 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-15 12:09 [PATCH RFC] pidns: introduce syscall getvpid Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-09-15 14:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-15 14:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <87h9mvg3kw.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15 15:01     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
     [not found]       ` <55F832D2.1070605-XoJtRXgx1JseBXzfvpsJ4g@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15 15:17         ` Stéphane Graber
2015-09-15 15:51           ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-09-15 17:41           ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2015-09-16  7:37             ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
     [not found]               ` <55F91C3D.1040209-XoJtRXgx1JseBXzfvpsJ4g@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-16 14:39                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20150916143939.GA32226-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-16 14:49                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <87twquzag1.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-16 16:31                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                           ` <20150916163123.GA1039-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-21  2:49                             ` Chen Fan
     [not found]                               ` <55FF7043.5020701-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-21 14:22                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                   ` <20150921142222.GA24005-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-22  7:42                                     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
     [not found]                                       ` <56010680.7000301-XoJtRXgx1JseBXzfvpsJ4g@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-22 21:00                                         ` Eric W. Biederman

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