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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman"
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	Richard Weinberger <richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>,
	Richard Weinberger
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Subject: Re: CGroup Namespaces (v4)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:40:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151117014026.GA2331@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151117011349.GA1958-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 07:13:49PM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 04:24:27PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 09:50:55PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> > >> Am 16.11.2015 um 21:46 schrieb Serge E. Hallyn:
> > >> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 09:41:15PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> > >> >> Serge,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:51 PM,  <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >> >>> To summarize the semantics:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 1. CLONE_NEWCGROUP re-uses 0x02000000, which was previously CLONE_STOPPED
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 2. unsharing a cgroup namespace makes all your current cgroups your new
> > >> >>> cgroup root.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 3. /proc/pid/cgroup always shows cgroup paths relative to the reader's
> > >> >>> cgroup namespce root.  A task outside of  your cgroup looks like
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>         8:memory:/../../..
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 4. when a task mounts a cgroupfs, the cgroup which shows up as root depends
> > >> >>> on the mounting task's  cgroup namespace.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 5. setns to a cgroup namespace switches your cgroup namespace but not
> > >> >>> your cgroups.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> With this, using github.com/hallyn/lxc #2015-11-09/cgns (and
> > >> >>> github.com/hallyn/lxcfs #2015-11-10/cgns) we can start a container in a full
> > >> >>> proper cgroup namespace, avoiding either cgmanager or lxcfs cgroup bind mounts.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> This is completely backward compatible and will be completely invisible
> > >> >>> to any existing cgroup users (except for those running inside a cgroup
> > >> >>> namespace and looking at /proc/pid/cgroup of tasks outside their
> > >> >>> namespace.)
> > >> >>>    cgroupns-root.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> IIRC one downside of this series was that only the new "sane" cgroup
> > >> >> layout was supported
> > >> >> and hence it was useless for everything which expected the default layout.
> > >> >> Hence, still no systemd for us. :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is this now different?
> > >> > 
> > >> > Yes, all hierachies are no supported.
> > >> > 
> > >> 
> > >> Should read "now"? :-)
> > >> If so, *awesome*!
> > >
> > > D'oh!  Yes, now :-)
> > 
> > I am glad to see multiple hierarchy support, that is something people
> > can use today.
> > 
> > A couple of quick questions before I delve into a review.
> > 
> > Does this allow mixing of cgroupfs and cgroupfs2?  That is can I: "mount
> > -t cgroupfs" inside a container and "mount -t cgroupfs2" outside a
> > container? and still have reasonable things happen?  I suspect the
> > semantics of cgroups prevent this but I am interested to know what happens.
> 
> As Tejun said, this is not an issue.  There's not an actual separate cgroupfs2
> filesystem, it's just a separate hierarchy which controllers can be bound to
> or not, which has its own set of semantics (like no tasks on leafnodes).  So
> a legacy application would never be able to run on the unified hierarchy, but
> this does not change that.
> 
> > Similary have you considered what it required to be able to safely set
> > FS_USERNS_MOUNT?
> 
> I think the only thing we need to do is
> 
> 1. go through and make sure that any ability to change mount flags is under
> capable() (which I have not yet done).  The cgroup_mount() itself checks that
> flags are not changed, but there may be some subtle way to effect a change
> that I'm not aware of yet.
> 

At least the ability to change the clone_children and release agent through
remount need to be restricted to init_user_ns root.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-17  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-16 19:51 CGroup Namespaces (v4) serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found] ` <1447703505-29672-1-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 1/8] kernfs: Add API to generate relative kernfs path serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-2-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:16       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20151124161630.GL17033-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:17           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20151124161709.GM17033-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 17:43               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-11-27  5:25           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20151127052511.GA25490-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-30 15:11               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20151130151147.GG3535-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-30 18:37                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-11-30 22:53                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20151130225318.GD9039-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01  2:08                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 2/8] sched: new clone flag CLONE_NEWCGROUP for cgroup namespace serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 3/8] cgroup: add function to get task's cgroup serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-4-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:27       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20151124162728.GN17033-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:54           ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 4/8] cgroup: export cgroup_get() and cgroup_put() serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-5-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:30       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20151124163056.GO17033-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 22:35           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 5/8] cgroup: introduce cgroup namespaces serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-6-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:49       ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 6/8] cgroup: cgroup namespace setns support serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-7-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 16:52       ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 7/8] cgroup: mount cgroupns-root when inside non-init cgroupns serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-8-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 17:16       ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-25  6:01         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20151125060156.GA678-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-25 19:10             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20151125191041.GB14240-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-25 19:55                 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-11-25 19:57                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20151124171610.GS17033-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-27  5:17           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20151127051745.GA24521-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-30 15:09               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20151130150938.GF3535-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01  4:07                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20151201040704.GA31067-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01 16:46                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20151201164649.GD12922-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01 21:58                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <20151201215853.GA9153-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-02 16:53                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20151202165312.GB19878-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-02 16:56                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                     ` <20151202165637.GA20840-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-02 16:58                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20151202165839.GD19878-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-02 17:02                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                             ` <20151202170239.GA21009-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-02 17:05                                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                 ` <20151202170551.GE19878-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-03 22:47                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                     ` <20151203224706.GA19971-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 15:39                                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                         ` <20151207153911.GF9175-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 15:53                                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2015-11-16 19:51   ` [PATCH 8/8] cgroup: Add documentation for cgroup namespaces serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1447703505-29672-9-git-send-email-serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 17:16       ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-16 20:41   ` CGroup Namespaces (v4) Richard Weinberger
     [not found]     ` <CAFLxGvzVmbZHrpaTmXUAK03hsnVPwEs3SJGNFNXfthh3NL8EDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 20:46       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20151116204606.GA30681-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 20:50           ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]             ` <564A41AF.4040208-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 20:54               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20151116205452.GA30975-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 22:24                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87y4dxh9b8.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 22:37                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-17  1:13                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20151117011349.GA1958-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-17  1:40                           ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <20151117014026.GA2331-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-17  3:54                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-11-18  2:30                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20151118023022.GA17501-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18  9:18                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <87r3jnfyx7.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 15:43                               ` Serge E. Hallyn

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