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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:40:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160105174017.GY19062@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1079064730.338115.1452015105259.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 05:31:45PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> For instance, an application could create a linked list or hash map
> of thread control structures, which could contain the current CPU
> number of each thread. A dispatch thread could then traverse or
> lookup this structure to see on which CPU each thread is running and
> do work queue dispatch or scheduling decisions accordingly.
So, what happens if the linked list is walked from thread X, and we
discover that thread Y is allegedly running on CPU1. We decide that
we want to dispatch some work on that thread due to it being on CPU1,
so we send an event to thread Y.
Thread Y becomes runnable, and the scheduler decides to schedule the
thread on CPU3 instead of CPU1.
My point is that the above idea is inherently racy. The only case
where it isn't racy is when thread Y is bound to CPU1, and so can't
move - but then you'd know that thread Y is on CPU1 and there
wouldn't be a need for the inherent complexity suggested above.
The behaviour I've seen on ARM from the scheduler (on a quad CPU
platform, observing the system activity with top reporting the last
CPU number used by each thread) is that threads often migrate
between CPUs - especially in the case of (eg) one or two threads
running in a quad-CPU system.
Given that, I'm really not sure what the use of reading and making
decisions on the current CPU number would be within a program -
unless the thread is bound to a particular CPU or group of CPUs,
it seems that you can't rely on being on the reported CPU by the
time the system call returns.
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Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-01-05 7:01 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Implement getcpu_cache system call Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1451977320-4886-1-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 7:01 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-05 12:04 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-05 17:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1079064730.338115.1452015105259.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 17:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-05 17:40 ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2016-01-05 17:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20160105174017.GY19062-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 21:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20160105214717.GE3818-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 22:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1777488643.338535.1452033244991.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 22:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-05 7:02 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] getcpu_cache: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-11 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Implement getcpu_cache " Seymour, Shane M
2016-01-11 23:03 ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-12 0:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-12 2:45 ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-12 4:27 ` Ben Maurer
2016-01-12 6:40 ` Seymour, Shane M
[not found] ` <9F8D25C2-B5EE-479D-BD61-0FE466962B9E-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-12 13:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <467525713.343916.1452604549209.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-12 21:02 ` Ben Maurer
[not found] ` <5CDDBDF2D36D9F43B9F5E99003F6A0D49A1426A5-f8hGUhss0nh9TZdEUguypQ2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-13 0:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <484967406.344576.1452644549992.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-13 0:51 ` Josh Triplett
[not found] ` <33D8C4C1-472E-4C3E-B722-B890FD592E23-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-14 15:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <DDB9C85B850785449757F9914A034FCB4450ACF7-4I1V4pQFGigSZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-11 23:16 ` Seymour, Shane M
2016-01-05 7:01 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] getcpu_cache: wire up ARM " Mathieu Desnoyers
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