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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: fallocate mode flag for "unshare blocks"?
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:58:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160331075801.GC4209@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56FC21DE.7090308@gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 02:58:38PM -0400, Austin S. Hemmelgarn wrote:
> Nothing that I can find in the man-pages or API documentation for Linux's
> fallocate explicitly says that it will be fast.  There are bits that say it
> should be efficient, but that is not itself well defined (given context, I
> would assume it to mean that it doesn't use as much I/O as writing out that
> many bytes of zero data, not necessarily that it will return quickly).

And that's pretty much as narrow as an defintion we get.  But apparently
gfs2 already breaks that expectation :(

> >delalloc system is careful enough to check that there are enough free
> >blocks to handle both the allocation and the metadata updates.  The
> >only gap in this scheme that I can see is if we fallocate, crash, and
> >upon restart the program then tries to write without retrying the
> >fallocate.  Can we trade some performance for the added requirement
> >that we must fallocate -> write -> fsync, and retry the trio if we
> >crash before the fsync returns?  I think that's already an implicit
> >requirement, so we might be ok here.
> Most of the software I've seen that doesn't use fallocate like this is
> either doing odd things otherwise, or is just making sure it has space for
> temporary files, so I think it is probably safe to require this.

posix_fallocate gurantees you that you don't get ENOSPC from the write,
and there is plenty of software relying on that or crashing / cause data
integrity problems that way.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-31  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160302155007.GB7125@infradead.org>
     [not found] ` <20160302155007.GB7125-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-30 18:27   ` fallocate mode flag for "unshare blocks"? Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-30 18:58     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-03-31  7:58       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2016-03-31 11:13         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
     [not found]     ` <20160330182755.GC2236-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31  0:32       ` Liu Bo
2016-03-31  7:55         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <20160331075529.GB4209-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31 15:31             ` Andreas Dilger
2016-03-31 15:43               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
     [not found]               ` <3E147309-67EA-4B29-B4E0-883BA03B7BFC-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31 16:47                 ` Henk Slager
2016-03-31 11:18         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-03-31 11:38           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
     [not found]           ` <56FD079F.3060606-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31 19:52             ` Liu Bo
2016-03-31  1:18     ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-31  7:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-31 11:18         ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-31 18:08           ` J. Bruce Fields
2016-03-31 18:19             ` Darrick J. Wong
     [not found]             ` <20160331180821.GD22462-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31 19:47               ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]                 ` <779E9BCF-8224-44FE-8AAE-E0341A7B475C-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-31 22:20                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-31 22:34                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2016-04-01  0:33                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-01  2:00                         ` J. Bruce Fields

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