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From: Jann Horn <jann-XZ1E9jl8jIdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
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	"Serge E. Hallyn"
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	Michael Kerrisk-manpages
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Andrew G. Morgan"
	<morgan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] simplified security.nscapability xattr
Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 01:10:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160507231012.GA11076@pc.thejh.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bn4nhejj.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>


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On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 12:54:40AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> > Quoting Andrew G. Morgan (morgan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org):
> >> 
> >> I guess I'm confused how we have strayed so far that this isn't an obvious
> >> requirement. Uid=0 as being the root of privilege was the basic problem
> >> that capabilities were designed to change.
> >
> > The task executing the file can be any uid mapped into the namespace.  The
> > file only has to be owned by the root of the user_ns.  Which I agree is
> > unfortunate.  We can work around it by putting the root uid into the xattr
> > itself (which still isn't orthogonal but allows the file to at least by
> > owned by non-root), but the problem then is that a task needs to know its
> > global root k_uid just to write the xattr.
> 
> The root kuid is just make_kuids(user_ns, 0) so it is easy to find.
> 
> It might be a hair better to use the userns->owner instead of the root
> uid.  That would allow user namespaces without a mapped root to still
> use file capabilities.

Please don't do that. A user might want to create multiple containers with
isolated security properties, and in that case, it would be bad if binaries
that are capable in one container are also automatically valid in the user's
other containers.
Also, this would mean that in an owner!=root scenario, container root can't
setcap executables and needs to ask the administrator of the surrounding system
to do it.
(Of course, this could be worked around using a dummy userns layer between the
init ns and the container, but I don't like seeing new reasons for such a hack.)

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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-22 17:26 namespaced file capabilities serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found] ` <1461345993-17526-1-git-send-email-serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-22 17:26   ` [PATCH 1/1] simplified security.nscapability xattr serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1461345993-17526-2-git-send-email-serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 19:46       ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 21:59     ` Kees Cook
     [not found]       ` <CAGXu5jKFNQs8oxq+yD6_Q8HcNyf+GouSHFzkxT9u9BkK=ZLQ7Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 22:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20160426222627.GA19307-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 22:39             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]               ` <CAGXu5jJbmSKst_RiM84-7OaX=2XettzpTh34uFFoevvoPRO76Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27  4:39                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-02  3:54                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20160502035452.GA31837-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-02 18:31                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-05-02 21:31                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <87h9egp2oq.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-03  3:57                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                           ` <CALQRfL7mfpyudWs4Z8W5Zi8CTG-9O0OvrCnRU7pk0MXtsLBd0A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-03  4:50                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <874mafiw2m.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 19:00                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-03  5:19                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                               ` <20160503051921.GA31551-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-03  5:54                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <87bn4nhejj.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-03 14:25                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                       ` <20160503142526.GA6309-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 19:03                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-07 23:10                                     ` Jann Horn [this message]
     [not found]                                       ` <20160507231012.GA11076-J1fxOzX/cBvk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11 21:02                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                           ` <20160511210221.GA24015-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-16 21:15                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                               ` <20160516211523.GA5282-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-16 21:48                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-18 21:57                                                   ` [PATCH RFC] user-namespaced file capabilities - now with more magic Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                     ` <20160518215752.GA9187-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-19 20:53                                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-05-20  3:40                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                           ` <20160520034048.GA31216-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 11:19                                                             ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                               ` <1463743150.2465.100.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 18:28                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                   ` <87mvnklh20.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 19:09                                                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2016-05-20 19:11                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-05-20 19:26                                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-20 19:42                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                         ` <87iny8h5yv.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 19:59                                                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20160520195902.GB12101-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 23:23                                                                               ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <1463786592.2763.74.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-20 23:32                                                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-04-27  8:09               ` [PATCH 1/1] simplified security.nscapability xattr Jann Horn

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