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From: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH review 08/12] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:45:33 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160713034532.GN1922@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160713013436.GM1922@dastard>

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:34:36AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 01:12:49PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > The place where I am concerned about thorough review and testing is
> > someone poisoning quota files and then the kernel trying to use them.
> > In the preliminary work we have done in other places in the kernel and
> > for other filesystems there almost always winds up being some way to
> > confuse the kernel and get it to misbave if you can poison the disk
> > based inputs.  As poison disk based inputs is not something filesystems
> > are stronlgy concerned about.  In most cases the disk the filesystem
> > resides on is in the box and therefore under control of the OS at all
> > times.  Dave Chinner has even said he will never consider handling
> > poisoned disk based inputs for XFS as the run time cost is too high.
> 
> I didn't say that. I said that comprehensive checks to catch all
> possible malicious inputs is too expensive to consider a viable
> solution for allowing user-mounts of arbitrary filesystem images
> through the kernel.
[.....]
> To bring this back to quota files, the only way to validate that a
> quota file has not been tampered with is to run a quotacheck on the
> filesystem once it has been mounted. This requires visiting every
> inode in the filesystem, so it an expensive operation. Only XFS has
> this functionality in kernel, so for untrusted mounts we could
> simply run it on every mount that has quotas enabled. Of course,
> users won't care that mounting their filesystem now takes several
> minutes (hours, even, when we have millions of inodes in the fs)
> while these checks are run...

So, over lunch I realised the problem with this. quotacheck is
verifying the contents of the quota file, but we haven't verified
the structure of the quota file to begin with. Hence just enabling
quotas could cause the filesystem to do bad things in the kernel on
mount if the quota file metadata has been tampered with.

IOWs, it's not just quota data parsing that we have to be concerned
with here - parsing the quota file structure itself could be an
attack vector that triggers on mount.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-13  3:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-02 17:18 [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20 ` [PATCH review 01/11] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 03/11] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 05/11] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 07/11] vfs: Don't create inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20160702172035.19568-7-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04  7:59       ` Jan Kara
     [not found]         ` <20160704075919.GA5200-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 14:55           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87zipwxhgp.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  9:07               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                 ` <20160706090705.GE14067-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 15:37                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 08/11] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20   ` [PATCH review 10/11] evm: Translate user/group ids relative to s_user_ns when computing HMAC Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <20160702172035.19568-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 02/11] userns: Handle -1 in k[ug]id_has_mapping when !CONFIG_USER_NS Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 04/11] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 06/11] vfs: Don't modify inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 09/11] quota: Handle quota data stored in s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <20160702172035.19568-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-02 17:33         ` [PATCH v2 " Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87mvm03pxy.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04  9:11             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-05 14:48               ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-05 15:34               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87d1msumhy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 20:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-05 21:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <8737nnrcyy.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  6:35                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-06  8:25                           ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 17:51                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-02 17:20     ` [PATCH review 11/11] fs: Update i_[ug]id_(read|write) to translate relative to s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-04  8:52 ` [PATCH review 0/11] General unprivileged mount support Jan Kara
     [not found]   ` <20160704085220.GC5200-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-04 16:27     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <87h9c52wsd.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06  8:54         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 13:54           ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-06 14:22             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 14:46               ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-06 15:01               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 15:23               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1467818630.2369.21.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 16:35                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <87ziq03qnj.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 13:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <CALCETrVof174gPCZnD2Z-RMjR-P=NcA0mYCU9ki6=o9hpFL-BA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 15:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 14:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-06 15:19     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:10   ` [PATCH review 0/12] General unprivileged mount support v2 Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <874m82bptc.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:12       ` [PATCH review 01/12] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 02/12] userns: Handle -1 in k[ug]id_has_mapping when !CONFIG_USER_NS Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 03/12] vfs: Verify acls are valid within superblock's s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 04/12] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 05/12] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <20160706181212.16267-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 06/12] vfs: Don't modify inodes with a uid or gid unknown to the vfs Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 07/12] vfs: Don't create " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 10/12] dquot: For now explicitly don't support filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 10:09             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-06 18:12           ` [PATCH review 11/12] evm: Translate user/group ids relative to s_user_ns when computing HMAC Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 08/12] quota: Ensure qids map to the filesystem Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <20160706181212.16267-8-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 10:14             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]               ` <20160711101424.GH12410-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 18:12                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <878tx8dowu.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13  1:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-07-13  3:45                       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2016-07-13  5:43                       ` Jann Horn
2016-07-14 17:03                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 09/12] quota: Handle quota data stored in s_user_ns in quota_setxquota Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-06 18:12         ` [PATCH review 12/12] fs: Update i_[ug]id_(read|write) to translate relative to s_user_ns Eric W. Biederman

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