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From: Andrew Vagin <avagin-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
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Cc: Serge Hallyn
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:25:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160726182524.GA328@outlook.office365.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3390535b-0660-757f-aeba-c03d936b3485-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:03:25AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 07/26/2016 04:54 AM, Andrew Vagin wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 09:59:43AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > [snip]
> > > > > > So, from my point of view, the important piece that was missing from
> > > > > > your commit message was the note to use readlink("/proc/self/fd/%d")
> > > > > > on the returned FDs. I think that detail needs to be part of the
> > > > > > commit message (and also the man page text). I think it even be
> > > > > > helpful to include the above program as part of the commit message:
> > > > > > it helps people more quickly grasp the API.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please, please make the standard way to compare these things fstat.
> > > > > That is much less magic than a symlink, and a little more future proof.
> > > > > Possibly even kcmp.
> > 
> > I like the idea to use kcmp to compare namespaces. I am going to add this
> > functionality to kcmp and describe all these in the man page.
> 
> Hi Andrey,
> 
> Can you briefly sketch out the proposed API and how it would be used?
> I'd find it useful to see that even before the implementation.

Sure. If a process wants to compare two namespaces, it needs to get file
descriptors for them (open /proc/PID/ns/XXX, use new ioctl-s, find a
process which has them),
and then it calls kcmp(pid1, pid2, KCMP_NSFD, ns_fd1, ns_fd2)

For example, if we want to compare pid namespaces for 1 and 2 processes:

pid = getpid();
ns_fd1 = open("/proc/1/ns/pid")
ns_fd2 = open("/proc/2/ns/pid")

if (!kcmp(pid, pid, KCMP_NSFD, ns_fd1, ns_fd2))
	printf("Both processes live in the same pid namespace\n");

Thanks,
Andrew
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Kerrisk
> Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
> Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-26 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-14 18:20 [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common Andrey Vagin
     [not found]   ` <1468520419-28220-2-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-15 12:21     ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 3/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get an owning user namespace for ns file descriptor Andrey Vagin
     [not found]   ` <1468520419-28220-4-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 18:48     ` W. Trevor King
     [not found] ` <1468520419-28220-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 18:20   ` [PATCH 2/5] kernel: add a helper to get an owning user namespace for a namespace Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <1468520419-28220-3-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 19:07       ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-14 18:20   ` [PATCH 4/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get a parent namespace Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 18:20   ` [PATCH 5/5] tools/testing: add a test to check nsfs ioctl-s Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 22:02   ` [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <CANaxB-xw_xBUq=0uT14ANv-jfg2NsGaPy=jyDO9=yF03_7toSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-15  2:12       ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common Andrey Vagin
     [not found]         ` <1468548742-32136-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-15  2:12           ` [PATCH 2/5] kernel: add a helper to get an owning user namespace for a namespace Andrey Vagin
     [not found]             ` <1468548742-32136-2-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24  5:03               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <878twrmxu2.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24  6:37                   ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]                     ` <20160724063728.GA17810-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24 14:30                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87shuzglck.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24 17:05                           ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-24 16:54               ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-15  2:12           ` [PATCH 3/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get an owning user namespace for ns file descriptor Andrey Vagin
2016-07-15  2:12           ` [PATCH 4/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get a parent namespace Andrey Vagin
     [not found]             ` <1468548742-32136-4-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24  5:07               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-16  8:21           ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common kbuild test robot
2016-07-23 23:07           ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-24  5:00           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-24  5:54             ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-24  5:54             ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]             ` <87k2gbmy02.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24  5:54               ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-15  2:12         ` [PATCH 5/5] tools/testing: add a test to check nsfs ioctl-s Andrey Vagin
2016-07-24  5:10       ` [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87poq3liyq.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  2:07           ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-21 14:41   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]     ` <c9bdaf3d-ec93-d754-81ac-9f524a0d0954-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-21 21:06       ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]         ` <20160721210650.GA10989-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22  6:48           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <1515f5f2-5a49-fcab-61f4-8b627d3ba3e2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 18:25               ` Andrey Vagin
2016-07-25 11:47                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                   ` <e2811bf1-4b86-e115-bcdb-301d6f2546eb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 13:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <87lh0pg8jx.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 14:46                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                           ` <44ca0e41-dc92-45b1-2a6c-c41a048a072d-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 14:54                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                               ` <20160725145445.GA19879-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-25 15:17                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 14:59                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87r3ahepb4.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  2:54                                 ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]                                   ` <20160726025455.GC26206-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26  8:03                                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                       ` <3390535b-0660-757f-aeba-c03d936b3485-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 18:25                                         ` Andrew Vagin [this message]
     [not found]                                           ` <20160726182524.GA328-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 18:32                                             ` W. Trevor King
     [not found]                                               ` <20160726183224.GN24913-q4NCUed9G3sTnwFZoN752g@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 19:11                                                 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 19:17                                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKgNAkjmOu+vfiMDyeYQkkf7wQBH9PVmJ4nH2CTg43GrN-k7eA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 20:39                                               ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160726203955.GA9415-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-28 10:45                                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                                     ` <ca0787a3-b270-e962-46d1-7e63c9335a55-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-28 12:56                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-28 19:00                                                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                                           ` <40e35f1a-10e6-b7a5-936e-a09f008be0d0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-29 18:05                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                               ` <87h9b8e2v7.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-31 21:31                                                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-08-01 23:01                                                                 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 19:38                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23 21:14   ` W. Trevor King
     [not found]     ` <20160723211414.GA25371-q4NCUed9G3sTnwFZoN752g@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23 21:38       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1469309936.2332.35.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23 21:58           ` W. Trevor King
     [not found]             ` <20160723215802.GO24913-q4NCUed9G3sTnwFZoN752g@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23 21:56               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87mvl8nhlv.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-23 22:34                   ` W. Trevor King
     [not found]                     ` <20160723223448.GP24913-q4NCUed9G3sTnwFZoN752g@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24  4:51                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-01 18:20   ` Alban Crequy
     [not found]     ` <CAMXgnP6j+rTeb5XJgoPV20y8puGyVm=9O9gdg9Sah4DuF5qm9w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-01 23:32       ` Andrew Vagin

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