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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
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	Linus Torvalds
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Subject: Re: [Documentation] State of CPU controller in cgroup v2
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:35:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160829223526.GI28713@mtj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1471757654.2354.97.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

Hello, James.

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:34:14PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> I can see that process based is conceptually easier in v2 because you
> begin with a process tree, but it would really be a pity to lose the
> thread based controls we have now and permanently lose the ability to
> create more as we find uses for them.  I can't really see how improving
> "common resource domain" is a good tradeoff for this.

Thread based control for namespace is not a different problem from
thread based control for individual applications, right?  And the
problems with using cgroupfs directly for in-process control still
applies the same whether it's system-wide or inside a namespace.

One argument could be that inside a namespace, as the cgroupfs is
already scoped, cgroup path headaches are less of an issue, which is
true; however, that isn't applicable to applications which aren't
scoped in thier own namespaces and we can't scope every binary on the
system.  More importnatly, a given application can't rely on being
scoped in a certain way.  You can craft a custom config for a specific
setup but that's a horrible way to solve the problem of in-application
hierarchical resource distribution, and that's what rgroup was all
about.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

      parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-29 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-05 17:07 [Documentation] State of CPU controller in cgroup v2 Tejun Heo
2016-08-05 17:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched: Misc preps for cgroup unified hierarchy interface Tejun Heo
2016-08-05 17:09 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20160805170752.GK2542-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-06  9:04   ` [Documentation] State of CPU controller in cgroup v2 Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <1470474291.4117.243.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-10 22:09       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]         ` <20160810220944.GB3085-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-11  6:25           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]             ` <1470896706.4116.146.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-12 22:17               ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                 ` <20160812221742.GA24736-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-13  5:08                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-08-16 14:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]             ` <20160816140738.GW6879-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-16 14:58               ` Chris Mason
2016-08-16 16:30               ` Johannes Weiner
2016-08-17  9:33                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-08-16 21:59               ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-17 20:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <CALCETrXvLNeds+ugZ8j3eD1Zg1RZYJSAET3Kguz5G2vqSLFCwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-20 15:56     ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-20 18:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrUWn1ux-ZRJoMjFCuP1aQrPOo3oTPD7k-ojsaov29NsRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-29 22:20           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20160829222048.GH28713-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-31  3:42               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-31 17:32                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20160831173251.GY12660-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-31 19:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrUKOJZS+=QDPyQD+vxXpwyjoj4+Crg6wU7Xk8rP4prYkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-31 21:07                         ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-31 21:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                             ` <CALCETrXj2Z=-GMaWV_EpCvw_8C3t1vc=D53Ff2wdvo=At8ZF1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-03 22:05                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-09-05 17:37                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                   ` <CALCETrVcAjFWLQ1arjSP-g=4jRY_J7G-j9JJHrvTDgOnxApYPw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-06 10:29                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-04 14:47                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20161004144717.GA4205-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05  8:07                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-09 22:57                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20160909225747.GA30105-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-10  8:54                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-09-10 10:08                                       ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                         ` <1473502137.3857.218.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30  9:06                                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                             ` <20160930090603.GD29207-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 14:53                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2016-09-12 15:20                                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                                         ` <ab6f3376-4c09-a339-f984-937f537ddc17-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-19 21:34                                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <CALCETrUhpPQdyZ-6WRjdB+iLbpGBduRZMWXQtCuS+R7Cq7rygg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-09-14 20:00                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20160914200041.GB6832-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 20:08                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                             ` <CALCETrUA6_noue4kq9JLqr-V_yo7hB+v1Arhg6i6fFn0tyTrpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16  7:51                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160916075137.GK5012-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 15:12                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                     ` <CALCETrXzrXJmZoFVfAXS1Zf9uNZjibnHizEhwgqdmRvnbJEksw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 16:19                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                         ` <20160916161951.GH5016-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 16:29                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                             ` <CALCETrXoTfhaDxZJ9_XcFknnniDvrYLY9SATVXj+tK1UdaWw4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 16:50                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20160916165045.GJ5016-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 18:19                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CALCETrVMw4Nd-QZER9qzOzRte5s48WrUaM8ZZzkY_g3B6s+5Ow-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-17  1:47                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-19 21:53                                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-31 19:57               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <20160820155659.GA16906-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 10:12         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-08-21  5:34     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <1471757654.2354.97.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-29 22:35         ` Tejun Heo [this message]

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