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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Thomas Garnier" <thgarnie@google.com>,
	"Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>, "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Micay" <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
	"Martin Schwidefsky" <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"René Nyffenegger" <mail@renenyffenegger.ch>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Pavel Tikhomirov" <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 08:58:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170512065818.mw7yqcdck7alqlzi@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwvQfs_X+paQF6Luc0Rq+W3J2fKuHRou7=ANcquDdXdDA@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ingo: Do you want the change as-is? Would you like it to be optional?
> > What do you think?
> 
> I'm not ingo, but I don't like that patch. It's in the wrong place -
> that system call return code is too timing-critical to add address
> limit checks.
> 
> Now what I think you *could* do is:
> 
>  - make "set_fs()" actually set a work flag in the current thread flags
> 
>  - do the test in the slow-path (syscall_return_slowpath).
> 
> Yes, yes, that ends up being architecture-specific, but it's fairly simple.
> 
> And it only slows down the system calls that actually use "set_fs()".
> Sure, it will slow those down a fair amount, but they are hopefully a
> small subset of all cases.
> 
> How does that sound to people?  Thats' where we currently do that
> 
>         if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING) &&
>             WARN(irqs_disabled(), "syscall %ld left IRQs disabled",
> regs->orig_ax))
>                 local_irq_enable();
> 
> check too, which is a fairly similar issue.

I really like that idea and I'd be perfectly fine with that solution, because it 
puts the overhead where the problem comes from, and adds an extra incentive for 
code to move away from set_fs() facilities. Win-win.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-28 15:32 [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
     [not found] ` <20170428153213.137279-1-thgarnie-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-28 15:32   ` [PATCH v9 2/4] x86/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-05-05 22:18   ` [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
     [not found]     ` <CAJcbSZGQsRVg3QZ9QfLn2HBC+RP-7fUTab0bYDJ455d8y8GyNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08  7:33       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20170508073352.caqe3fqf7nuxypgi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08  7:52           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20170508075209.7aluvpwildw325rf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 15:22               ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-08 15:26                 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 19:51                   ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                   ` <CAGXu5jL61K0bRSEg9a_LswNyrt3K1J57REbWVcvAXT54zWwtMA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <20170509065619.wmqa6z6w3n6xpvrw-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 11:10                         ` Greg KH
     [not found]                           ` <20170509111007.GA14702-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 14:29                             ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                               ` <CAJcbSZFswDWZoK-1UK+xkRMJ4ttSYbtH2Y5WD5_aPR-8ru6t8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 23:17                                 ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                                   ` <CAJcbSZEoRyewUtBHvqmNZL9FtT_q42Vmmd-EuC50x-ZRASiHHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 23:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                       ` <CA+55aFwvQfs_X+paQF6Luc0Rq+W3J2fKuHRou7=ANcquDdXdDA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  5:28                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12  5:34                                           ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12  5:54                                             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12 19:01                                               ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 19:08                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAGXu5jL9vUrn4kpjO+qa4cHmWBypeqP17OGbrMs=5Nz0YpQMZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 19:08                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                     ` <CA+55aFzbiBqsYb7vwO=+L4Vp_GOgPu+DBOrq4fBnyzq5DbBehg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 19:30                                                       ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAGXu5j+xmyJ6RhtPw9rUgs7k3sZ1KKWffvyGGG--oPfu9W42ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 20:21                                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 20:30                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                               ` <20170512203044.GI4626-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 20:45                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 21:00                                                                   ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CAGXu5jL6FPuShBpZfi6+XHqOk4gxocUJRYPHT5oR3HYh3xm+sA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:04                                                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-05-13  7:21                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 21:06                                                             ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                               ` <20170512210645.GS390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:16                                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:17                                                                 ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAGXu5jJu=VTqp2tzkPB4RAVxdGC+_SSQwrUwdzWpu24AA-zEcg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:23                                                                     ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:41                                                                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:47                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1494625675.29205.21.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 22:57                                                                           ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20170512214144.GT390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:50                                                                         ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                             ` <CAGXu5j+EatK=DYONRkgovwLgytAnbG8jnAZaMSLckZFNVj3gig-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  6:57                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  6:13                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  6:58                                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-05-12 17:05                                         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09 16:30                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-05-08 12:46           ` Greg KH
     [not found]             ` <20170508124621.GA20705-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:45               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20170509064522.anusoikaalvlux3w-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  8:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 13:00                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 13:02                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:03                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:50                           ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                             ` <CAGXu5jKHVMRMKDfn+=kkbm+JkWPhoEtDwKx=QXAYxg1p9bn7PQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 22:52                               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                 ` <CALCETrV73=cDvaSLOMvb299yaGNJYME8LC-=P+N6p7R1NN97Yg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 23:31                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-05-10  1:59                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-10  7:15                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                     ` <CAGXu5jL6PeQmmdxh5h--fgrMK8DW_XZYpNfDOvvv_o9E3-Kxdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 11:22                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2017-05-10  6:46                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                           ` <20170509160322.GA15902-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  2:11                             ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  2:45                               ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  3:12                                 ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                   ` <20170510031254.GC390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  3:21                                     ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                       ` <20170510032137.GD390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  3:39                                         ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  6:54                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:53                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:27                                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  7:35                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:49                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:28                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  7:35                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:05                       ` Brian Gerst
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrUh8NO2scaqEM48K70Fo2+V3=Cpyk4JurCDiCYp4nm_+g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  7:37                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  8:08                           ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  8:14                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11  0:18                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  7:00                         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  7:15                           ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  7:35                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:07                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:23                                 ` Greg KH
     [not found]                             ` <20170512071549.GP390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  7:43                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12  8:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:16                                   ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  8:11                                 ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                   ` <20170512081154.GQ390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  8:20                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12 23:20                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 13:09         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 14:02           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20170508140230.23kxf2kfeazeo4zr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 14:06               ` Jann Horn
     [not found]                 ` <CAG48ez0Hz=CimkPwuq903tgJkGj8gXUtiQJJb-P2zUes6bd6Hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 20:48                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                     ` <20170508204858.GT29622-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 23:15                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 15:24               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                 ` <CAGXu5jJ4iY7QZ9wRu5dmm7RHtLh_V6TQh4huWwLCYPKOr63aiA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] arm/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] arm64/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier

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