From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 1/6] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:38:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171016073836.GB28778@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyy-nz99c6erFh=aeyCOzsk0td5wHaVLpwBNA-sWNDZkA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:32:17AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> >
> > When thinking a bit more about this I've realized one problem: Currently
> > user can call mmap() with MAP_SHARED type and MAP_SYNC or MAP_DIRECT flags
> > and he will get the new semantics (if the kernel happens to support it). I
> > think that is undesirable [..]
>
> Why?
>
> If you have a performance preference for MAP_DIRECT or something like
> that, but you don't want to *enforce* it, you'd use just plain
> MAP_SHARED with it.
>
> Ie there may well be "I want this to work, possibly with downsides" issues.
>
> So it seems to be a reasonable model, and disallowing it seems to
> limit people and not really help anything.
I don't think for MAP_DIRECT it matters (and I think we shouldn't have
MAP_DIRECT to start with, see the discussions later in the thread).
But for the main use case, MAP_SYNC you really want a hard error when you
don't get it. And while we could tell people that they should only use
MAP_SYNC with MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE instead of MAP_SHARED chances that they
get it wrong are extremely high. On the other hand if you really only
want a flag to optimize calling mmap twice is very little overhead, and
a very good documentation of you intent:
addr = mmap(...., MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE | MAP_DIRECT, ...);
if (!addr && errno = EOPNOTSUPP) {
/* MAP_DIRECT didn't work, we'll just cope using blah, blah */
addr = mmap(...., MAP_SHARED, ...);
}
if (!addr)
goto handle_error;
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-16 7:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-12 0:47 [PATCH v9 0/6] MAP_DIRECT for DAX userspace flush Dan Williams
[not found] ` <150776922692.9144.16963640112710410217.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 1/6] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags Dan Williams
[not found] ` <150776923320.9144.6119113178052262946.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 13:51 ` Jan Kara
2017-10-12 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-16 7:38 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2017-10-16 7:56 ` Jan Kara
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 2/6] fs, mm: pass fd to ->mmap_validate() Dan Williams
[not found] ` <150776923838.9144.15727770472447035032.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 1:21 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20171012012131.GD21978-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 1:28 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4jr4atxCqFW_337Sguu8LswVgjsJVOd65n4RODttX9cxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 2:17 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4ij9E9tXPLqp6cUAY3dJzh7OS+yPsVDME50xSvQPLpStA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 3:44 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 3/6] fs: MAP_DIRECT core Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 4/6] xfs: prepare xfs_break_layouts() for reuse with MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 5/6] fs, xfs, iomap: introduce break_layout_nowait() Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 6/6] xfs: wire up MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-12 14:23 ` [PATCH v9 0/6] MAP_DIRECT for DAX userspace flush Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-12 17:41 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13 6:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20171013065716.GB26461-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 15:14 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4gaLBBefOU+8f7_ypYnCTjSMk+9nq8NfCqBHAE+NbUusw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 16:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20171013163822.GA17411-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 17:01 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4jDHp8z2VgVfyRK1WwMzixYVQnh54LZoPD57HB3yqSPPQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 17:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20171013173145.GA18702-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 18:22 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4jZJRto1jwmNU--pqH_6dOVMyj=68ZwEjAmmkgX=mRk7w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-14 1:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-16 12:02 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <e29eb9ed-2d87-cde8-4efa-50de1fff0c04-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 6:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-16 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-16 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20171016072644.GB28270-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-16 12:07 ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-10-16 17:43 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-16 19:44 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4gtnZu7obG7UwaBq1-fwRZj06HCa=mjBfDKKgfp97nYaw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 6:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-16 7:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
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