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From: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dan Williams
	<dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ross Zwisler
	<ross.zwisler-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nvdimm-hn68Rpc1hR1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-xfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] xfs: support for synchronous DAX faults
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:16:11 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171026211611.GC3666@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171026154804.GF31161-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 05:48:04PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 25-10-17 09:23:22, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
> > > 
> > > Return IOMAP_F_DIRTY from xfs_file_iomap_begin() when asked to prepare
> > > blocks for writing and the inode is pinned, and has dirty fields other
> > > than the timestamps.
> > 
> > That's "fdatasync dirty", not "fsync dirty".
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > IOMAP_F_DIRTY needs a far better description of it's semantics than
> > "/* block mapping is not yet on persistent storage */" so we know
> > exactly what filesystems are supposed to be implementing here. I
> > suspect that what it really is meant to say is:
> > 
> > /*
> >  * IOMAP_F_DIRTY indicates the inode has uncommitted metadata to
> >  * written data and requires fdatasync to commit to persistent storage.
> >  */
> 
> I'll update the comment. Thanks!
> 
> > [....]
> > 
> > > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c b/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c
> > > index f179bdf1644d..b43be199fbdf 100644
> > > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c
> > > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c
> > > @@ -33,6 +33,7 @@
> > >  #include "xfs_error.h"
> > >  #include "xfs_trans.h"
> > >  #include "xfs_trans_space.h"
> > > +#include "xfs_inode_item.h"
> > >  #include "xfs_iomap.h"
> > >  #include "xfs_trace.h"
> > >  #include "xfs_icache.h"
> > > @@ -1086,6 +1087,10 @@ xfs_file_iomap_begin(
> > >  		trace_xfs_iomap_found(ip, offset, length, 0, &imap);
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > > +	if ((flags & IOMAP_WRITE) && xfs_ipincount(ip) &&
> > > +	    (ip->i_itemp->ili_fsync_fields & ~XFS_ILOG_TIMESTAMP))
> > > +		iomap->flags |= IOMAP_F_DIRTY;
> > 
> > This is the very definition of an inode that is "fdatasync dirty".
> > 
> > Hmmmm, shouldn't this also be set for read faults, too?
> 
> No, read faults don't need to set IOMAP_F_DIRTY since user cannot write any
> data to the page which he'd then like to be persistent. The only reason why
> I thought it could be useful for a while was that it would be nice to make
> MAP_SYNC mapping provide the guarantee that data you see now is the data
> you'll see after a crash

Isn't that the entire point of MAP_SYNC? i.e. That when we return
from a page fault, the app knows that the data and it's underlying
extent is on persistent storage?

> but we cannot provide that guarantee for RO
> mapping anyway if someone else has the page mapped as well. So I just
> decided not to return IOMAP_F_DIRTY for read faults.

If there are multiple MAP_SYNC mappings to the inode, I would have
expected that they all sync all of the data/metadata on every page
fault, regardless of who dirtied the inode. An RO mapping doesn't
mean the data/metadata on the inode can't change, it just means it
can't change through that mapping.  Running fsync() to guarantee the
persistence of that data/metadata doesn't actually changing any
data....

IOWs, if read faults don't guarantee the mapped range has stable
extents on a MAP_SYNC mapping, then I think MAP_SYNC is broken
because it's not giving consistent guarantees to userspace. Yes, it
works fine when only one MAP_SYNC mapping is modifying the inode,
but the moment we have concurrent operations on the inode that
aren't MAP_SYNC or O_SYNC this goes out the window....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-26 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-24 15:23 [PATCH 0/17 v5] dax, ext4, xfs: Synchronous page faults Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 04/17] dax: Factor out getting of pfn out of iomap Jan Kara
     [not found] ` <20171024152415.22864-1-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-24 15:23   ` [PATCH 01/17] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags Jan Kara
     [not found]     ` <20171024152415.22864-2-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-24 21:21       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 15:23   ` [PATCH 02/17] mm: Remove VM_FAULT_HWPOISON_LARGE_MASK Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 03/17] dax: Simplify arguments of dax_insert_mapping() Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 05/17] dax: Create local variable for VMA in dax_iomap_pte_fault() Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 06/17] dax: Create local variable for vmf->flags & FAULT_FLAG_WRITE test Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 07/17] dax: Inline dax_insert_mapping() into the callsite Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 08/17] dax: Inline dax_pmd_insert_mapping() " Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 09/17] dax: Fix comment describing dax_iomap_fault() Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 10/17] dax: Allow dax_iomap_fault() to return pfn Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 12/17] mm: Define MAP_SYNC and VM_SYNC flags Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 13/17] dax, iomap: Add support for synchronous faults Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 15/17] ext4: Simplify error handling in ext4_dax_huge_fault() Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH 16/17] ext4: Support for synchronous DAX faults Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC Jan Kara
2017-10-24 21:10     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-26 13:24       ` Jan Kara
     [not found]         ` <20171026132402.GB31161-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-26 18:22           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 11/17] dax: Allow tuning whether dax_insert_mapping_entry() dirties entry Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 14/17] dax: Implement dax_finish_sync_fault() Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 17/17] xfs: support for synchronous DAX faults Jan Kara
2017-10-24 21:29   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 22:23   ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-26 15:48     ` Jan Kara
     [not found]       ` <20171026154804.GF31161-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-26 21:16         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2017-10-27 10:08           ` Jan Kara
     [not found]             ` <20171027100834.GH31161-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-31 15:19               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                 ` <20171031151907.GB26128-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-31 21:50                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                     ` <CAPcyv4gBVyZ8KhB2s1M0BdhC1=HAean6Mb6oV7zsJBx0-t3bhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-01  3:47                       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-27  6:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20171027064301.GC22931-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-27  9:13           ` Jan Kara
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-10-19 12:57 [PATCH 0/17 v4] dax, ext4, xfs: Synchronous page faults Jan Kara
     [not found] ` <20171019125817.11580-1-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 12:58   ` [PATCH 17/17] xfs: support for synchronous DAX faults Jan Kara
2017-10-19 13:17     ` Christoph Hellwig

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