From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:07:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171214070718.GA16951@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jLqE6cUxk-Girx6PG7upEzz8jmu1OH_3LVC26iJc2vTxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Wed 13-12-17 15:19:00, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >> You selected stupid name for a flag. Everyone and their dog agrees
> >> with that. There's even consensus on better name (and everyone agrees
> >> it is better than .._SAFE). Of course, we could have debate if it is
> >> NOREPLACE or NOREMOVE or ... and that would be bikeshed. This was just
> >> poor naming on your part.
> >
> > Well while everybody agrees that the name is so bad that basically
> > anything else would be better, there does not seem to be consensus on
> > which one to pick. I do understand that this frustrating and fruitless.
>
> Based on the earlier threads where I tried to end the bikeshedding, it
> seemed like MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE was the least bad option.
>
> > So what do we do now, roll a dice to choose new name?
> >
> > Or do we ask BFDL[1] to choose the name?
>
> I'd like to hear feedback from Michael Kerrisk, as he's had to deal
> with these kinds of choices in the past. I'm fine to ask Linus too. I
> just want to get past the name since the feature is quite valuable.
>
> And if Michal doesn't want to touch this patch any more, I'm happy to
> do the search/replace/resend. :P
I think Andrew can do the s@MAP_FIXED_SAFE@MAP_$FOO@ when adding the
patch to the mmotm tree. The reason why I refuse to repost is that a)
functionality doesn't really need a further rework (at least not based
on the review feedback) and b) I do not really see any large consensus
here. People claim to like this or that more but nobody (except of you
Kees) was willing to put their name under their preference in a form of
Acked-by. And that worries me, because generating "better" names sounds
too easy to allow a forward progress.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-14 7:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-13 9:25 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 9:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20171213092550.2774-2-mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 12:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 13:01 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 9:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs, elf: drop MAP_FIXED usage from elf_map Michal Hocko
2017-12-16 0:49 ` [2/2] " Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 9:13 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 18:12 ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-13 9:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmap.2: document new MAP_FIXED_SAFE flag Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 9:31 ` [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 12:55 ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:03 ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:04 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:16 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20171213131640.GJ25185-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 13:21 ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:35 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 14:40 ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 23:19 ` Kees Cook
[not found] ` <CAGXu5jLqE6cUxk-Girx6PG7upEzz8jmu1OH_3LVC26iJc2vTxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 7:07 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-12-18 19:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-12-18 20:19 ` Kees Cook
2017-12-18 20:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
[not found] ` <CAGXu5jJ289R9koVoHmxcvUWr6XHSZR2p0qq3WtpNyN-iNSvrNQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-21 12:38 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 14:59 ` known bad patch in -mm tree was " Pavel Machek
2017-12-21 15:08 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 22:24 ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-22 0:06 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14 2:52 ` Jann Horn
[not found] ` <CAG48ez0JZ3PVW3vgSXDmDijS+a_5bSX9qNuyggnsB6JTSkKngA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 5:28 ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:06 ` John Hubbard
[not found] ` <b4fb7b3a-e53e-bf87-53c5-186751a14f4e-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 23:10 ` Jann Horn
[not found] ` <20171213092550.2774-1-mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 12:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:34 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 17:13 ` Kees Cook
2017-12-15 9:02 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14 0:32 ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14 1:35 ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14 1:42 ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14 12:44 ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-14 13:15 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 14:54 ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-19 12:40 ` David Laight
2017-12-19 12:46 ` Michal Hocko
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