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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Anaczkowski,
	Lukasz" <lukasz.anaczkowski@intel.com>,
	"Box, David E" <david.e.box@intel.com>,
	"Kogut, Jaroslaw" <Jaroslaw.Kogut@intel.com>,
	"Koss, Marcin" <marcin.koss@intel.com>,
	"Koziej, Artur" <artur.koziej@intel.com>,
	"Lahtinen, Joonas" <joonas.lahtinen@intel.com>,
	"Moore, Robert" <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"Nachimuthu, Murugasamy" <murugasamy.nachimuthu@intel.com>,
	"Odzioba, Lukasz" <lukasz.odzioba@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Schmauss, Erik" <erik.schmauss@intel.com>,
	"Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux->
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:16:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171220211649.GA32200@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2da89d31-27a3-34ab-2dbb-92403c8215ec@intel.com>

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:22:21PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/20/2017 10:19 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > I don't know what the right interface is, but my laptop has a set of
> > /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryN/ directories.  Perhaps this is the
> > right place to expose write_bw (etc).
> 
> Those directories are already too redundant and wasteful.  I think we'd
> really rather not add to them.  In addition, it's technically possible
> to have a memory section span NUMA nodes and have different performance
> properties, which make it impossible to represent there.
> 
> In any case, ACPI PXM's (Proximity Domains) are guaranteed to have
> uniform performance properties in the HMAT, and we just so happen to
> always create one NUMA node per PXM.  So, NUMA nodes really are a good fit.

I think you're missing my larger point which is that I don't think this
should be exposed to userspace as an ACPI feature.  Because if you do,
then it'll also be exposed to userspace as an openfirmware feature.
And sooner or later a devicetree feature.  And then writing a portable
program becomes an exercise in suffering.

So, what's the right place in sysfs that isn't tied to ACPI?  A new
directory or set of directories under /sys/devices/system/memory/ ?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-20 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20171214021019.13579-1-ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
2017-12-14 13:00 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT Michal Hocko
     [not found]   ` <20171214130032.GK16951-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-18 20:35     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 16:41       ` Ross Zwisler
     [not found]         ` <20171220164107.GA29103-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-21 13:18           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]       ` <20171218203547.GA2366-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-20 18:19         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 20:22           ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-20 21:16             ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2017-12-20 21:24               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:29                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                   ` <CAPcyv4gTknp=0yQnVrrB5Ui+mJE_x-wdkV86UD4hsYnx3CAjfA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-20 22:41                     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 20:31                       ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-22 22:53                         ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:22                           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:57                             ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                               ` <CAPcyv4j95rWmFM5NDvoRJakwVE5YUgcipQW2Ju+40+FD6vYs+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-23  1:14                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <CAPcyv4j9shdJFrvADa=qW4L-jPJJ4S_TJc_c=aRoW3EmSCCChQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-27  9:10                             ` Brice Goglin
     [not found]                               ` <71317994-af66-a1b2-4c7a-86a03253cf62-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-30  6:58                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                                   ` <20171230065845.GD27959-PfSpb0PWhxZc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-30  9:19                                     ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-20 21:13           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21  1:41             ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-22 21:46               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 12:50           ` Michael Ellerman

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