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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 bpf-next 08/11] bpf: introduce BPF_RAW_TRACEPOINT
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:00:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180327150041.3d86e16e@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f071b59d-5d67-0eb6-c5b1-68094b0a5118@fb.com>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:45:34 -0700
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com> wrote:

> >> +
> >> +	snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "__bpf_trace_%s", tp->name);
> >> +	addr = kallsyms_lookup_name(buf);
> >> +	if (!addr)
> >> +		return -ENOENT;
> >> +
> >> +	return tracepoint_probe_register(tp, (void *)addr, prog);  
> >
> > You are putting in a hell of a lot of trust with kallsyms returning
> > properly. I can see this being very fragile. This is calling a function
> > based on the result of kallsyms. I'm sure the security folks would love
> > this.
> >
> > There's a few things to make this a bit more robust. One is to add a
> > table that points to all __bpf_trace_* functions, and verify that the
> > result from kallsyms is in that table.
> >
> > Honestly, I think this is too much of a short cut and a hack. I know
> > you want to keep it "simple" and save space, but you really should do
> > it the same way ftrace and perf do it. That is, create a section and
> > have all tracepoints create a structure that holds a pointer to the
> > tracepoint and to the bpf probe function. Then you don't even need the
> > kernel_tracepoint_find_by_name(), you just iterate over your table and
> > you get the tracepoint and the bpf function associated to it.
> >
> > Relying on kallsyms to return an address to execute is just way too
> > extreme and fragile for my liking.  
> 
> Wasting extra 8bytes * number_of_tracepoints just for lack of trust
> in kallsyms doesn't sound like good trade off to me.
> If kallsyms are inaccurate all sorts of things will break:
> kprobes, livepatch, etc.
> I'd rather suggest for ftrace to use kallsyms approach as well
> and reduce memory footprint.

If Linus, Thomas, Peter, Ingo, and the security folks trust kallsyms to
return a valid function pointer from a name, then sure, we can try
going that way.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-27  2:46 [PATCH v6 bpf-next 00/11] bpf, tracing: introduce bpf raw tracepoints Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:46 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 01/11] treewide: remove large struct-pass-by-value from tracepoint arguments Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:46 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 02/11] net/mediatek: disambiguate mt76 vs mt7601u trace events Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:46 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 03/11] net/mac802154: disambiguate mac80215 vs mac802154 " Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:46 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 04/11] net/wireless/iwlwifi: fix iwlwifi_dev_ucode_error tracepoint Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 05/11] macro: introduce COUNT_ARGS() macro Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 06/11] tracepoint: compute num_args at build time Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 15:15   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 07/11] tracepoint: introduce kernel_tracepoint_find_by_name Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 14:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 14:18     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 14:42       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 15:53         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 16:09           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:36           ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 08/11] bpf: introduce BPF_RAW_TRACEPOINT Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 17:02   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 17:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 18:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 21:04         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 22:48           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 23:13             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28  0:00               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-28  0:44                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28  0:51                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-28 14:06                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 18:45     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27 19:00       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2018-03-27 19:07         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 19:10         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-27 19:10         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 09/11] libbpf: add bpf_raw_tracepoint_open helper Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 10/11] samples/bpf: raw tracepoint test Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-27  2:47 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 11/11] selftests/bpf: test for bpf_get_stackid() from raw tracepoints Alexei Starovoitov

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