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From: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>
To: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	jannh@google.com, dhowells@redhat.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, serge@hallyn.com, luto@kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, ebiederm@xmission.com, keescook@chromium.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, joel@joelfernandes.org,
	dancol@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] clone: add CLONE_PIDFD
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:39:18 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190419133918.7uedlqgc6cvt7fjt@yavin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190418132822.untjt7erfvbbiz7a@brauner.io>

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On 2019-04-18, Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
> > Why O_CLOEXEC? I am just curious, I do not really care.
> 
> I think that having the file descriptor O_CLOEXEC by default is a good
> security measure in general. Most of the time you do not want to pass a
> file descriptor through exec() (apart from 0,1,2) and it is usually more
> of an issue when you accidently do it then when you accidently don't. So
> if users really care about passing a pidfd they should do so by removing
> the O_CLOEXEC flag explicitly.
> (New file descriptors should probably all default to that but that's just
> my opinion.)
> Another thing is that for a pidfds it makes even more sense to have them
> cloexec by default. You don't want to *unintentionally* leak an fd that
> can be used to operate on a process.

There is another factor as well -- if you want to set O_CLOEXEC in a
multi-threaded process you can't be sure that another thread didn't fork
in between you getting the fd_install'd and the userspace process
setting O_CLOEXEC (leading to the fd leaking outside the current
process). This is why a lot of syscalls have a way to get an O_CLOEXEC
fd from the outset.

So I'm +1 on doing O_CLOEXEC by default -- you can always disable it
safely but enabling it safely isn't so simple (and I don't think it
makes much sense to add the mechanism to pass PIDFD_CLOEXEC as well,
given how tight the flags are getting).

-- 
Aleksa Sarai
Senior Software Engineer (Containers)
SUSE Linux GmbH
<https://www.cyphar.com/>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-19 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-18 10:18 [PATCH v2 0/5] clone: add CLONE_PIDFD Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 10:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] Make anon_inodes unconditional Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 10:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] clone: add CLONE_PIDFD Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 13:12   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-18 13:28     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 14:10       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-18 14:15         ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-19 13:39       ` Aleksa Sarai [this message]
2019-04-18 10:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] signal: use fdget() since we don't allow O_PATH Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 13:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-18 15:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-18 15:53     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 10:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] signal: support CLONE_PIDFD with pidfd_send_signal Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 14:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-18 15:01     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-18 10:18 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] samples: show race-free pidfd metadata access Christian Brauner

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