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From: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
To: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>,
	Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	nd@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: allow TCR_EL1.TBID0 to be configured
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:37:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201125143753.GO20578@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMn1gO7G=s7pHFf3jNLj6tZyRuRDvpC2_o=oNWEi4h902hnj6g@mail.gmail.com>

The 11/24/2020 11:18, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:47 AM Catalin Marinas
> <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 01:59:03AM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > > Introduce a Kconfig option that controls whether TCR_EL1.TBID0 is
> > > set at boot time.
> > >
> > > Setting TCR_EL1.TBID0 increases the number of signature bits used by
> > > the pointer authentication instructions for instruction addresses by 8,
> > > which improves the security of pointer authentication, but it also has
> > > the consequence of changing the operation of the branch instructions
> > > so that they no longer ignore the top byte of the target address but
> > > instead fault if they are non-zero. Since this is a change to the
> > > userspace ABI the option defaults to off.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
> > > Link: https://linux-review.googlesource.com/id/Ife724ad708142bc475f42e8c1d9609124994bbbd
> > > ---
> > > This is more of an RFC. An open question is how to expose this.
> > > Having it be a build-time flag is probably the simplest option
> > > but I guess it could also be a boot flag. Since it involves an
> > > ABI change we may also want a prctl() so that userspace can
> > > figure out which mode it is in.
> > >
> > > I think we should try to avoid it being a per-task property
> > > so that we don't need to swap yet another system register on
> > > task switch.
> >
> > Having it changed per task at run-time is problematic as this bit may be
> > cached in the TLB, so it would require a synchronisation across all CPUs
> > followed by TLBI. It's not even clear to me from the ARM ARM whether
> > this bit is tagged by ASID, which, if not, would make a per-process
> > setting impossible.
> >
> > So this leaves us with a cmdline option. If we are confident that no
> > software makes use of tagged instruction pointers, we could have it
> > default on.
> 
> I would be concerned about turning it on by default because tagged
> instruction pointers may end up being used unintentionally as a result
> of emergent behavior. For example, when booting Android under FVP with
> this enabled I discovered that SwiftShader would crash when entering
> JITed code because the code was being stored at a tagged address
> (tagged because it had been allocated using Scudo's MTE allocator).
> Arguably software shouldn't be storing executable code in memory owned
> by the allocator as this would require changing the permissions of
> memory that it doesn't own, but from the kernel's perspective it is
> valid.

it might be still possible to change this abi on linux by
default, but i don't know what's the right way to manage the
abi transition. i will have to think about it.

i dont think PROT_MTE|PROT_EXEC is architecturally well
supported (e.g. to have different colored functions or
similar, pc relative addressing doesn't work right).

(tbi for instruction pointers is unlikely to be useful, but
extra 8 bits for pac is useful. i think we should be able to
move to an abi that is compatible with either setting.)

(i think supporting mmap/munmap/madvise/mprotect on malloced
memory is problematic in general not just with heap tagging
so it would be nice to fix whatever jit that marks malloced
memory as executable.)

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-25 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-21  9:59 [PATCH 1/2] kasan: arm64: set TCR_EL1.TBID1 when enabled Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-21  9:59 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: allow TCR_EL1.TBID0 to be configured Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-24 18:47   ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-24 19:18     ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-25 14:37       ` Szabolcs Nagy [this message]
2021-06-15 23:41         ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-06-16 12:55           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2021-06-22  5:13             ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-23 18:20 ` [PATCH 1/2] kasan: arm64: set TCR_EL1.TBID1 when enabled Andrey Konovalov
2020-11-25 18:54 ` Catalin Marinas

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