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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@rivosinc.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] uapi/asm/termbits: Use the U integer suffix for bit fields
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 16:21:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2024061223-saddlebag-gallantly-c35f@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <tkfp53faunf5jlszu5k6jwwxgsl72faffiux7c3pykmnowapy6@wap3bvtvoebi>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 04:00:18PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> 
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 03:35:20PM GMT, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 03:16:58PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > Constants that are to be used in bitwise operations should be unsigned,
> > > or a user could easily trigger Undefined Behavior.
> > 
> > Wait, do we really have such broken compilers out there?
> 
> I meant this as a generic statement that signed integers on bitwise ops
> are bad, not as a specific statement that these values would trigger UB.
> 
> I expect that these specific values and the operations done on them
> probably don't trigger UB, since the shifts are done by a controlled
> amount, and there are justa few operations done on them.

These, for the most part, are NOT used as shifts.

> For example, a left shift where a set bit overflows the type (e.g.,
> 1<<32), causes UB.

Sure, but that's not in play here.

> The reason why it's better to avoid this at all even if we know these
> values work fine, is that programs using <asm/termbits.h> would need to
> disable those compiler warnings, which could silence warnings on other
> code which might be broken.

But again, you aren't using these as bit shifts, they are bit masks, or
values, only.

> TL;DR: The kernel isn't broken, but improving this would allow users to
> enable stricter warnings, which is a good thing.

Enable it where?

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-12 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-12 12:16 termios constants should be unsigned Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 12:22 ` Greg KH
2024-06-12 13:16   ` [PATCH] uapi/asm/termbits: Use the U integer suffix for bit fields Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 13:35     ` Greg KH
2024-06-12 14:00       ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 14:21         ` Greg KH [this message]
2024-06-12 15:07           ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 14:55 ` termios constants should be unsigned Paul Eggert
2024-06-12 16:28   ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 17:47     ` enh
2024-06-12 18:55       ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 19:01       ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 21:54         ` enh
2024-06-12 22:22           ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-06-12 18:27     ` Paul Eggert
2024-06-13 12:32   ` Zack Weinberg
2024-06-13 21:12     ` Paul Eggert
2024-06-13 21:37       ` Alejandro Colomar

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