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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Cc: Eyal Birger <eyal.birger@gmail.com>,
	luto@amacapital.net, wad@chromium.org, ldv@strace.io,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org, jolsa@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] seccomp: passthrough uretprobe systemcall without filtering
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 13:40:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250119123955.GA5281@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202501181212.4C515DA02@keescook>

On 01/18, Kees Cook wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 04:55:39PM -0800, Eyal Birger wrote:
> > Since uretprobe is a "kernel implementation detail" system call which is
> > not used by userspace application code directly, it is impractical and
> > there's very little point in forcing all userspace applications to
> > explicitly allow it in order to avoid crashing tracked processes.
>
> How is this any different from sigreturn, rt_sigreturn, or
> restart_syscall? These are all handled explicitly by userspace filters
> already, and I don't see why uretprobe should be any different.

The only difference is that sys_uretprobe() is new and existing setups
doesn't know about it. Suppose you have

	int func(void)
	{
		return 123;
	}

	int main(void)
	{
		seccomp(SECCOMP_SET_MODE_STRICT, 0,0);
		for (;;)
			func();
	}

and it runs with func() uretprobed.

If you install the new kernel, this application will crash immediately.

I understand your objections, but what do you think we can do instead?
I don't think a new "try_to_speedup_uretprobes_at_your_own_risk" sysctl
makes sense, it will be almost never enabled...

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-19 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-17  0:55 [PATCH] seccomp: passthrough uretprobe systemcall without filtering Eyal Birger
2025-01-17  1:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17  8:02   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-01-17 13:36     ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-17 14:09     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17 17:51       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-17 19:24         ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-17 19:34           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-18 15:05         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17 18:34 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2025-01-17 18:52   ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-18 20:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-18 20:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-18 20:45   ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-19  2:24     ` Kees Cook
2025-01-19  3:39       ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-19 10:44         ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-20 21:34         ` Kees Cook
2025-01-27 19:24           ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-27 19:33             ` Kees Cook
2025-01-27 19:39               ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-27 19:43                 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-21 14:38         ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-21 14:47           ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-21 16:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-21 16:44             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-21 16:55             ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-21 22:38               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-21 22:46                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-21 23:13                   ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-21 23:29                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-19 18:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-01-19 12:40   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-01-20 21:32     ` Kees Cook
2025-01-21 15:28       ` Oleg Nesterov

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