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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>,
	Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v1] man/man2/close.2: CAVEATS: Document divergence from POSIX.1-2024
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 11:28:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250516152808.GW1509@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250516143957.GB5388@qaa.vinc17.org>

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 04:39:57PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2025-05-16 09:05:47 -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
> > FWIW musl adopted the EINPROGRESS as soon as we were made aware of the
> > issue, and later changed it to returning 0 since applications
> > (particularly, any written prior to this interpretation) are prone to
> > interpret EINPROGRESS as an error condition rather than success and
> > possibly misinterpret it as meaning the fd is still open and valid to
> > pass to close again.
> 
> If I understand correctly, this is a poor choice. POSIX.1-2024 says:
> 
> ERRORS
>   The close() and posix_close() functions shall fail if:
> [...]
>   [EINPROGRESS]
>     The function was interrupted by a signal and fildes was closed
>     but the close operation is continuing asynchronously.
> 
> But this does not mean that the asynchronous close operation will
> succeed.

It always succeeds in the way that's important: the file descriptor is
freed and the process no longer has this reference to the open file
description.

What might or might not succeed is:

(1) other ancient legacy behaviors coupled to close(), like rewinding
a tape drive. If the application cares how that behaves, it needs to
be performing an explicit rewind *before* calling close, when it still
has a handle on the open file so that it can respond to exceptional
conditions, not relying on a legacy behavior like "close also rewinds"
that's device-specific and outside the scope of any modern
cross-platform standard.

(2) deferred operations in unsafe async NFS setups. This is a huge
mess with no real reliable solution except "don't configure your NFS
to have unsafe and nonconforming behaviors in the pursuit of
performance".

Rich

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-16 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 21:33 close(2) with EINTR has been changed by POSIX.1-2024 Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 10:48 ` Jan Kara
2025-05-16 12:11   ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 12:52     ` [RFC v1] man/man2/close.2: CAVEATS: Document divergence from POSIX.1-2024 Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 13:05       ` Rich Felker
2025-05-16 14:20         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-17  5:46           ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-17 13:03             ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-17 13:43               ` Rich Felker
2025-05-16 14:39         ` Vincent Lefevre
2025-05-16 14:52           ` Florian Weimer
2025-05-16 15:28             ` Vincent Lefevre
2025-05-16 15:28           ` Rich Felker [this message]
2025-05-17 13:32           ` Rich Felker
2025-05-17 13:46             ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-23 18:10               ` Zack Weinberg
2025-05-24  2:24                 ` Rich Felker
2025-05-24 19:25                 ` Florian Weimer
2025-05-16 12:41   ` close(2) with EINTR has been changed by POSIX.1-2024 Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-16 12:41   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-19 23:19     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2025-05-20 13:37       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-20 23:16         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2025-05-16 19:13   ` Al Viro
2025-05-19  9:48   ` Christian Brauner

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