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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>,
	 Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: close(2) with EINTR has been changed by POSIX.1-2024
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 11:48:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250519-rauben-geldentwertung-3f18b3c8876c@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ddqmhjc2rpzk2jjvunbt3l3eukcn4xzkocqzdg3j4msihdhzko@fizekvxndg2d>

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 12:48:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> On Thu 15-05-25 23:33:22, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > I'm updating the manual pages for POSIX.1-2024, and have some doubts
> > about close(2).  The manual page for close(2) says (conforming to
> > POSIX.1-2008):
> > 
> >        The EINTR error is a somewhat special case.  Regarding the EINTR
> >        error, POSIX.1‐2008 says:
> > 
> >               If close() is interrupted by  a  signal  that  is  to  be
> >               caught,  it  shall  return -1 with errno set to EINTR and
> >               the state of fildes is unspecified.
> > 
> >        This permits the behavior that occurs on Linux  and  many  other
> >        implementations,  where,  as  with  other errors that may be re‐
> >        ported by close(), the  file  descriptor  is  guaranteed  to  be
> >        closed.   However, it also permits another possibility: that the
> >        implementation returns an EINTR error and  keeps  the  file  de‐
> >        scriptor open.  (According to its documentation, HP‐UX’s close()
> >        does this.)  The caller must then once more use close() to close
> >        the  file  descriptor, to avoid file descriptor leaks.  This di‐
> >        vergence in implementation behaviors provides a difficult hurdle
> >        for  portable  applications,  since  on  many   implementations,
> >        close() must not be called again after an EINTR error, and on at
> >        least one, close() must be called again.  There are plans to ad‐
> >        dress  this  conundrum for the next major release of the POSIX.1
> >        standard.
> > 
> > TL;DR: close(2) with EINTR is allowed to either leave the fd open or
> > closed, and Linux leaves it closed, while others (HP-UX only?) leaves it
> > open.
> > 
> > Now, POSIX.1-2024 says:
> > 
> > 	If close() is interrupted by a signal that is to be caught, then
> > 	it is unspecified whether it returns -1 with errno set to
> > 	[EINTR] and fildes remaining open, or returns -1 with errno set
> > 	to [EINPROGRESS] and fildes being closed, or returns 0 to
> > 	indicate successful completion; [...]
> > 
> > <https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/functions/close.html>
> > 
> > Which seems to bless HP-UX and screw all the others, requiring them to
> > report EINPROGRESS.
> > 
> > Was there any discussion about what to do in the Linux kernel?
> 
> I'm not aware of any discussions but indeed we are returning EINTR while
> closing the fd. Frankly, changing the error code we return in that case is
> really asking for userspace regressions so I'm of the opinion we just
> ignore the standard as in my opinion it goes against a long established
> reality.

Ignore. We've long since stopped designing apis with input from that
standard in mind. And I think that was a very wise decision.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-19  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 21:33 close(2) with EINTR has been changed by POSIX.1-2024 Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 10:48 ` Jan Kara
2025-05-16 12:11   ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 12:52     ` [RFC v1] man/man2/close.2: CAVEATS: Document divergence from POSIX.1-2024 Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-16 13:05       ` Rich Felker
2025-05-16 14:20         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-17  5:46           ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-17 13:03             ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-17 13:43               ` Rich Felker
2025-05-16 14:39         ` Vincent Lefevre
2025-05-16 14:52           ` Florian Weimer
2025-05-16 15:28             ` Vincent Lefevre
2025-05-16 15:28           ` Rich Felker
2025-05-17 13:32           ` Rich Felker
2025-05-17 13:46             ` Alejandro Colomar
2025-05-23 18:10               ` Zack Weinberg
2025-05-24  2:24                 ` Rich Felker
2026-01-20 17:05                   ` Zack Weinberg
2026-01-20 17:46                     ` Rich Felker
2026-01-20 18:39                       ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-20 19:00                         ` Rich Felker
2026-01-20 20:05                           ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-20 20:11                       ` Paul Eggert
2026-01-20 20:35                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-20 20:42                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-23  0:33                           ` Zack Weinberg
2026-01-23  1:02                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-23  1:38                               ` Al Viro
2026-01-23 14:44                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-23 14:05                               ` Zack Weinberg
2026-01-24 19:34                             ` The 8472
2026-01-24 21:39                               ` Rich Felker
2026-01-24 21:57                                 ` The 8472
2026-01-25 15:37                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2026-01-26  8:51                                     ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-26 12:15                                     ` Jan Kara
2026-01-26 13:53                                       ` The 8472
2026-01-26 15:56                                         ` Jan Kara
2026-01-26 16:43                                           ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-26 23:01                                             ` Trevor Gross
2026-01-27  0:49                                               ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-28 16:58                                                 ` Zack Weinberg
2026-02-05  9:34                                                   ` Jan Kara
2025-05-24 19:25                 ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-18 22:23                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-20 16:15                   ` Zack Weinberg
2026-01-20 16:36                     ` Rich Felker
2026-01-20 19:17                       ` Al Viro
2026-02-06 15:13             ` Vincent Lefevre
2025-05-16 12:41   ` close(2) with EINTR has been changed by POSIX.1-2024 Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-16 12:41   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-19 23:19     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2025-05-20 13:37       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-20 23:16         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2025-05-16 19:13   ` Al Viro
2025-05-19  9:48   ` Christian Brauner [this message]

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