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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 29/30] luo: allow preserving memfd
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 17:03:48 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250813200348.GB699432@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2025081334-rotten-visible-517a@gregkh>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 03:00:08PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > In this case if kho_unpreserve_folio() fails in this call chain it
> > means some error unwind is wrongly happening out of sequence, and we
> > are now forced to leak memory. Unwind is not something that userspace
> > should be controlling, so of course we want a WARN_ON here.
> 
> "should be" is the key here.  And it's not obvious from this patch if
> that's true or not, which is why I mentioned it.
> 
> I will keep bringing this up, given the HUGE number of CVEs I keep
> assigning each week for when userspace hits WARN_ON() calls until that
> flow starts to die out either because we don't keep adding new calls, OR
> we finally fix them all.  Both would be good...

WARN or not, userspace triggering permanently leaking kernel memory is
a CVE worthy bug in of itself.

So even if userspace triggers this I'd rather have the warn than the
difficult to find leak.

I don't know what your CVEs are, but I get a decent number of
userspace hits a WARN bug from with syzkaller, and they are all bugs
in the kernel. Bugs that should probably get CVEs even without the
crash on WARN issue anyhow. The WARN made them discoverable cheaply.

The most recent was a userspace triggerable arthimetic overflow
corrupted a datastructure and a WARN caught it, syzkaller found it,
and we fixed it before it became a splashy exploit with a web
site.

Removing bug catching to reduce CVEs because we don't find the bugs
anymore seems like the wrong direction to me.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-13 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-07  1:44 [PATCH v3 00/30] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 01/30] kho: init new_physxa->phys_bits to fix lockdep Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 11:42   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-08 11:52     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-08 14:00       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 19:06         ` Andrew Morton
2025-08-08 19:51           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 20:19             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 13:11   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 14:57     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 02/30] kho: mm: Don't allow deferred struct page with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 11:47   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-08 14:01     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 03/30] kho: warn if KHO is disabled due to an error Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 11:48   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 04/30] kho: allow to drive kho from within kernel Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 05/30] kho: make debugfs interface optional Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 06/30] kho: drop notifiers Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 07/30] kho: add interfaces to unpreserve folios and physical memory ranges Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 13:22   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 15:05     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 17:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-15  9:12     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-08-18 13:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 08/30] kho: don't unpreserve memory during abort Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 13:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 09/30] liveupdate: kho: move to kernel/liveupdate Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-30  8:35   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 10/30] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 13:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 11/30] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 12/30] liveupdate: luo_subsystems: add subsystem registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 13/30] liveupdate: luo_subsystems: implement subsystem callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 14/30] liveupdate: luo_files: add infrastructure for FDs Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 15/30] liveupdate: luo_files: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 16/30] liveupdate: luo_ioctl: add userpsace interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 13:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 17/30] liveupdate: luo_files: luo_ioctl: Unregister all FDs on device close Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-27 15:34   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 18/30] liveupdate: luo_files: luo_ioctl: Add ioctls for per-file state management Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-14 14:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 19/30] liveupdate: luo_sysfs: add sysfs state monitoring Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 16:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-26 18:58     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 20/30] reboot: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 21/30] kho: move kho debugfs directory to liveupdate Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 22/30] liveupdate: add selftests for subsystems un/registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 23/30] selftests/liveupdate: add subsystem/state tests Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 24/30] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 25/30] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 26/30] mm: shmem: use SHMEM_F_* flags instead of VM_* flags Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-11 23:11   ` Vipin Sharma
2025-08-13 12:42     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 27/30] mm: shmem: allow freezing inode mapping Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 28/30] mm: shmem: export some functions to internal.h Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 29/30] luo: allow preserving memfd Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 20:22   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-13 12:44     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-13  6:34   ` Vipin Sharma
2025-08-13  7:09     ` Greg KH
2025-08-13 12:02       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-13 12:14         ` Greg KH
2025-08-13 12:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-13 13:00             ` Greg KH
2025-08-13 13:37               ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-13 13:41                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-13 13:53                   ` Greg KH
2025-08-13 13:53                 ` Greg KH
2025-08-13 20:03               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-08-13 13:31             ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-13 12:29     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-13 13:49       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-13 13:55         ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-26 16:20   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-27 15:03     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-28 12:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-28 23:00         ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 17:10         ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-02 13:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03 14:10             ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-03 15:01               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-28  7:14     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-08-29 18:47       ` Chris Li
2025-08-29 19:18     ` Chris Li
2025-09-02 13:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03 12:01         ` Chris Li
2025-09-01 16:23     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-01 16:54       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-01 17:21         ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-01 19:02           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-02 11:38             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03 15:59               ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-03 16:40                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-03 19:29                 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-02 11:58         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-01 17:01       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-02 11:44         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-03 14:17           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-03 19:39             ` Mike Rapoport
2025-08-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v3 30/30] docs: add documentation for memfd preservation via LUO Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 00/30] Live Update Orchestrator David Hildenbrand
2025-08-08 12:24   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-08 13:53     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-08 13:52   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 13:16 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-08-26 13:54   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 14:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-26 15:02       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 15:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-26 16:10           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 16:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-26 17:03               ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-08-26 17:08                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-27 14:01                 ` Pratyush Yadav

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