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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/30] Live Update Orchestrator
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:42:48 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251010144248.GB3901471@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bAe3yk4NocURmihcuTNPUcb2-K0JCaQQ5GJ4B58YLEwEw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 09, 2025 at 06:42:09PM -0400, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> 
> It looks like the combination of an enforced ordering:
> Preservation: A->B->C->D
> Un-preservation: D->C->B->A
> Retrieval: A->B->C->D
> 
> and the FLB Global State (where data is automatically created and
> destroyed when a particular file type participates in a live update)
> solves the need for this query mechanism. For example, the IOMMU
> driver/core can add its data only when an iommufd is preserved and add
> more data as more iommufds are added. The preserved data is also
> automatically removed once the live update is finished or canceled.

IDK I think we should try to be flexible on the restoration order.

Eg, if we project ahead to when we might need to preserve kvm and
iommufd FDs as well, the order would likely be:

Preservation: memfd -> kvm -> iommufd -> vfio
Retrieval: iommud_domain (early boot) kvm -> iommufd -> vfio -> memfd

Just because of how the dependencies work, and the desire to push the
memfd as late as possible.

I don't see an issue with this, the kernel enforcing the ordering
should fall out naturally based on the sanity checks each step will
do.

ie I can't get back the KVM fd if luo says it is out of order.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-10 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-29  1:02 [PATCH v4 00/30] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 01/30] kho: allow to drive kho from within kernel Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 02/30] kho: make debugfs interface optional Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-06 16:30   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-06 18:02     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-06 16:55   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-06 17:23     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 03/30] kho: drop notifiers Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-06 14:30   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-06 16:17     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-06 16:38     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-06 17:01   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-06 17:21     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-07 12:09       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-07 13:16         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-07 13:30           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 04/30] kho: add interfaces to unpreserve folios and page ranes Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 05/30] kho: don't unpreserve memory during abort Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 06/30] liveupdate: kho: move to kernel/liveupdate Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 07/30] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:02 ` [PATCH v4 08/30] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 09/30] liveupdate: luo_subsystems: add subsystem registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 10/30] liveupdate: luo_subsystems: implement subsystem callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 11/30] liveupdate: luo_session: Add sessions support Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 12/30] liveupdate: luo_ioctl: add user interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 13/30] liveupdate: luo_file: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 14/30] liveupdate: luo_session: Add ioctls for file preservation and state management Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 15/30] reboot: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 16/30] kho: move kho debugfs directory to liveupdate Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 17/30] liveupdate: add selftests for subsystems un/registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 18/30] selftests/liveupdate: add subsystem/state tests Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-03 23:17   ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-04  2:08     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 19/30] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 20/30] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 21/30] mm: shmem: use SHMEM_F_* flags instead of VM_* flags Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 22/30] mm: shmem: allow freezing inode mapping Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 23/30] mm: shmem: export some functions to internal.h Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 24/30] luo: allow preserving memfd Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 25/30] docs: add documentation for memfd preservation via LUO Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 26/30] selftests/liveupdate: Add multi-kexec session lifecycle test Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-03 22:51   ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-04  2:07     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-04  2:37       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-09 22:57         ` Vipin Sharma
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 27/30] selftests/liveupdate: Add multi-file and unreclaimed file test Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 28/30] selftests/liveupdate: Add multi-session workflow and state interaction test Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 29/30] selftests/liveupdate: Add test for unreclaimed resource cleanup Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29  1:03 ` [PATCH v4 30/30] selftests/liveupdate: Add tests for per-session state and cancel cycles Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-07 17:10 ` [PATCH v4 00/30] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-07 17:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-08  3:18     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-08  7:03   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-10-08 16:40     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-08 19:35       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-08 20:26         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-09 14:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-09 15:01             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-09 15:03               ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-09 16:46               ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-10-09 17:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-09 18:37                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-10 14:35                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-09 21:58   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-10-09 22:42     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-10 14:42       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-10-10 14:58         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-10 15:02           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-09 22:57   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-09 23:50     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-10 15:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-14 13:29         ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-20 14:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-27 11:37             ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-13 15:23       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-10 12:45     ` Pasha Tatashin

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