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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Jori Koolstra" <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
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	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] vfs: syscalls: add mkdirat_fd()
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2026 15:09:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260401150922.0990d935@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c2ea52f2-b232-404b-9ec6-75d8efae6bea@app.fastmail.com>

On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 21:13:34 +0200
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 31, 2026, at 19:19, Jori Koolstra wrote:
> > Currently there is no way to race-freely create and open a directory.
> > For regular files we have open(O_CREAT) for creating a new file inode,
> > and returning a pinning fd to it. The lack of such functionality for
> > directories means that when populating a directory tree there's always
> > a race involved: the inodes first need to be created, and then opened
> > to adjust their permissions/ownership/labels/timestamps/acls/xattrs/...,
> > but in the time window between the creation and the opening they might
> > be replaced by something else.
> >
> > Addressing this race without proper APIs is possible (by immediately
> > fstat()ing what was opened, to verify that it has the right inode type),
> > but difficult to get right. Hence, mkdirat_fd() that creates a directory
> > and returns an O_DIRECTORY fd is useful.
> >
> > This feature idea (and description) is taken from the UAPI group:
> > https://github.com/uapi-group/kernel-features?tab=readme-ov-file#race-free-creation-and-opening-of-non-file-inodes
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>  
> 
> I checked that the calling conventions are fine, i.e. this will work
> as expected across all architectures. I assume you are also aware
> that the non-RFC patch will need to add the syscall number to all
> .tbl files.
> 
> The hardest problem here does seem to be the naming of the
> new syscall, and I'm sorry to not be able to offer any solution
> either, just two observations:
> 
> - mkdirat/mkdirat_fd sounds similar to the existing
>   quotactl/quotactl_fd pair, but quotactl_fd() takes a file
>   descriptor argument rather than returning it, which makes
>   this addition quite confusing.
> 
> - the nicest interface IMO would have been a variation of
>   openat(dfd, filename, O_CREAT | O_DIRECTORY, mode)
>   but that is a minefield of incompatible implementations[1],
>   so we can't do that without changing the behavior for
>   existing callers that currently run into an error.

Just require O_TMPFILE to be set as well :-)
You know you'll never regret it one Apr-1 is over.

Can something be done with the flags to openat2().
That might save allocating an extra system call.

	David


> 
>        Arnd
> 
> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/926782/
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-01 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-31 17:19 [RFC PATCH 0/2] vfs: mkdirat_fd() syscall Jori Koolstra
2026-03-31 17:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] vfs: syscalls: add mkdirat_fd() Jori Koolstra
2026-03-31 19:13   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-04-01 14:09     ` David Laight [this message]
2026-03-31 20:25   ` Yann Droneaud
2026-03-31 20:42     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-01  4:19   ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-04-01  9:44     ` Cyril Hrubis
2026-04-01 10:25     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-04-07  9:00       ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-04-02  2:52     ` Aleksa Sarai
2026-04-07  8:52       ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-03-31 17:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] selftest: add tests for mkdirat_fd() Jori Koolstra

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