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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2026 15:51:33 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261022185133.GA3746973@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2342b42699292d4e5fc85e5dd4d351a3f29ae336.camel@linux.ibm.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2026 at 07:24:57AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > Isn't the hypervisor what we are doing now? I mean multiple extension
> > originators share the same register and eventually the same log. Or do
> > you suggest to go even further having a "generic_registerX" exposed for
> > every hw implementation allowing the user to have full abstraction?
> > The "generic_registerX" would be always alias to something hw specific,
> > like RTMR2 for example of TDX.
> 
> I definitely prefer the latter, as everything continues to work as is with
> minimal, if any, change.
> 
> AI's wording:
> • The Virtual Mapping: The [attestation] subsystem exposes "Virtual RTMRs"
> (vRTMRs) internally to the kernel.
> 
> • IMA's Dedicated Lane: The kernel config routes IMA to vRTMR_IMA.

I was thinking something similar too

I called this "PCR policy" in my previous posting, but in-kernel I
would expect something like IMA to request the "IMA PCR" from the
current attestation policy.

This could be a locality 0 TPM PCR, a locality 2 PCR for a DRTM
launch, a TDX RTMR, etc. It keeps the layout in one place, and lets
the multiplexor steer it to different hardware.

The policy would outline all the in-kernel users, and probably provide
some how give a recommendation to userspace like 'systemd log goes
here'

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-22 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:01     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  8:27     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:05     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22  8:22             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 19:21               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21  8:33                   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 19:05                         ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 10:54                           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 11:24                             ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 18:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-10-22 19:19                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:23                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 12:26                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 13:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 14:07                             ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 19:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:37                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 19:45                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:52                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 20:43                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 10:30 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-22 15:38   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 16:42     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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