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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <dhildenb@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v22 1/4] mm: add MAP_DROPPABLE for designating always lazily freeable mappings
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 05:27:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <378f23cb-362e-413a-b221-09a5352e79f2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240709130513.98102-2-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On 09.07.24 15:05, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> The vDSO getrandom() implementation works with a buffer allocated with a
> new system call that has certain requirements:
> 
> - It shouldn't be written to core dumps.
>    * Easy: VM_DONTDUMP.
> - It should be zeroed on fork.
>    * Easy: VM_WIPEONFORK.
> 
> - It shouldn't be written to swap.
>    * Uh-oh: mlock is rlimited.
>    * Uh-oh: mlock isn't inherited by forks.
> 
> It turns out that the vDSO getrandom() function has three really nice
> characteristics that we can exploit to solve this problem:
> 
> 1) Due to being wiped during fork(), the vDSO code is already robust to
>     having the contents of the pages it reads zeroed out midway through
>     the function's execution.
> 
> 2) In the absolute worst case of whatever contingency we're coding for,
>     we have the option to fallback to the getrandom() syscall, and
>     everything is fine.
> 
> 3) The buffers the function uses are only ever useful for a maximum of
>     60 seconds -- a sort of cache, rather than a long term allocation.
> 
> These characteristics mean that we can introduce VM_DROPPABLE, which
> has the following semantics:
> 
> a) It never is written out to swap.
> b) Under memory pressure, mm can just drop the pages (so that they're
>     zero when read back again).
> c) It is inherited by fork.
> d) It doesn't count against the mlock budget, since nothing is locked.
> 
> This is fairly simple to implement, with the one snag that we have to
> use 64-bit VM_* flags, but this shouldn't be a problem, since the only
> consumers will probably be 64-bit anyway.
> 
> This way, allocations used by vDSO getrandom() can use:
> 
>      VM_DROPPABLE | VM_DONTDUMP | VM_WIPEONFORK | VM_NORESERVE
> 
> And there will be no problem with using memory when not in use, not
> wiping on fork(), coredumps, or writing out to swap.
> 
> In order to let vDSO getrandom() use this, expose these via mmap(2) as
> MAP_DROPPABLE.
> 
> Finally, the provided self test ensures that this is working as desired.

Acked-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>


I'll try to think of some corner cases we might be missing.

As raised, I think we could do better at naming, such as "MAP_FREEABLE" 
to match MADV_FREE, MAP_VOLATILE, ... but if nobody else care, I shall 
not care :)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-10  3:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-09 13:05 [PATCH v22 0/4] implement getrandom() in vDSO Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-09 13:05 ` [PATCH v22 1/4] mm: add MAP_DROPPABLE for designating always lazily freeable mappings Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-10  3:27   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-07-10  4:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11  0:44       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11  4:32         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11  4:46           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11  5:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-11 17:09               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:17                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:24                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:27                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:54                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:56                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:08                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:24                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 18:54                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:56                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:18                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:20                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:49                                       ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 19:52                                         ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 19:53                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:58                                           ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 20:59                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 20:20                                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 20:59                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:49                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-11 19:07                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-11 19:22                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 20:07                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 20:17                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 22:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-12  1:21       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-09 13:05 ` [PATCH v22 2/4] random: introduce generic vDSO getrandom() implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-09 13:05 ` [PATCH v22 3/4] x86: vdso: Wire up getrandom() vDSO implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-09 13:05 ` [PATCH v22 4/4] selftests/vDSO: add tests for vgetrandom Jason A. Donenfeld

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